.politics.

[Kuberr]

Many people in my community believe its time for a new governmental body

Like what?

[Milo109]

You expect people to be able to articulate that? It's hard to get them to figure out what religon they believe in. Somebody I know thinks of herself as a Buddhist Jewish Christian

[Sagemaster]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

[cltrn81]

Hitler ran in the mid to late 20's as a national socialist. He lost. He ran again still as a national socialist. And he won.

You may call it fascism if you want, but fascism IS dictatorship. National socialism was their way of calling a political party. Like republican or democrat for the united states.

My point is that to call Hitler a socialist is incorrect.

His Economic system was socialist, so I'm not sure what you mean. NSDAP was not just the label, they were totally left wing. Far right is libertarian in my vocabulary, nothing to do with Hitler.

Far right/fascism=government ran by business

Far left/socialism=business ran by government

Hitler's National Socialist Party is really both of these mashed together IMO.  I know he studied Marxist Socialism when he wrote Mein Kampf (My Struggle) in prison.  But he was not strictly a Marxist socialist by any means.  His totalitarian empire practiced both facist and socialist aspects.......really the worst of both.

[BlackJester]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

So many of them are. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just sayin'.

[Rass]

I think that the government should treat power as a recourse, and use it efficiently (use the smallest amount possible to do the greatest good).

Sorry to go back

But the problem with this is who decides the greatest good.

If I'm rich I I don't want free health care I pay for it so you should too

If I'm poor I want free healthcare

It's such a fine line to decide who is the greatest good it's all perspective

[Milo109]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

So many of them are. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just sayin'.

Israel

[Kuberr]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

So many of them are. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just sayin'.

Israel

Pretty much any middle eastern country.

[Milo109]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

So many of them are. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just sayin'.

Israel

Pretty much any middle eastern country.

I think barriers like religon and culture are being lowered. Frankly I doubt any countries in the middle east to remain unscathed

[Leviathan]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

So many of them are. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just sayin'.

Israel

Pretty much any middle eastern country.

And the place has been wrought with war since the beginning of history.

As one of faith I think government can be ran more effectively WITHOUT the influence of religion.

[Kuberr]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

So many of them are. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just sayin'.

Israel

Pretty much any middle eastern country.

And the place has been wrought with war since the beginning of history.

As one of faith I think government can be ran more effectively WITHOUT the influence of religion.

I've been to Iraq. As the first civilization in the history of the WORLD they still live in the stone age. They live in mud huts with barely any electricity or running water. They trash everything around them.

Would you like to know why?

Their religion. The government won't do anything about it because their religion doesn't allow it. It has nothing to do with war. It's their religion that influence the government which in turn influences the people. Making them incredibly lazy and unwilling to do things we consider civilized.

[cltrn81]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

So many of them are. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just sayin'.

Israel

Pretty much any middle eastern country.

And the place has been wrought with war since the beginning of history.

As one of faith I think government can be ran more effectively WITHOUT the influence of religion.

I've been to Iraq. As the first civilization in the history of the WORLD they still live in the stone age. They live in mud huts with barely any electricity or running water. They trash everything around them.

Would you like to know why?

Their religion. The government won't do anything about it because their religion doesn't allow it. It has nothing to do with war. It's their religion that influence the government which in turn influences the people. Making them incredibly lazy and unwilling to do things we consider civilized.

Well religion is kind of to blame since Iraq was actually part of the original paradise, aka the Garden of Eden, and god pretty much made it a {wasteland} after the whole Adam/Eve eating the apple from the tree of knowledge.  That land has maintained being a desolate {wasteland} ever since then.

[Kuberr]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

So many of them are. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just sayin'.

Israel

Pretty much any middle eastern country.

And the place has been wrought with war since the beginning of history.

As one of faith I think government can be ran more effectively WITHOUT the influence of religion.

I've been to Iraq. As the first civilization in the history of the WORLD they still live in the stone age. They live in mud huts with barely any electricity or running water. They trash everything around them.

Would you like to know why?

Their religion. The government won't do anything about it because their religion doesn't allow it. It has nothing to do with war. It's their religion that influence the government which in turn influences the people. Making them incredibly lazy and unwilling to do things we consider civilized.

Well religion is kind of to blame since Iraq was actually part of the original paradise, aka the Garden of Eden, and god pretty much made it a {wasteland} after the whole Adam/Eve eating the apple from the tree of knowledge.  That land has maintained being a desolate {wasteland} ever since then.

But that's purely theoretical.

[cltrn81]

I think that the government should treat power as a recourse, and use it efficiently (use the smallest amount possible to do the greatest good).

Sorry to go back

But the problem with this is who decides the greatest good.

If I'm rich I I don't want free health care I pay for it so you should too

If I'm poor I want free healthcare

It's such a fine line to decide who is the greatest good it's all perspective

The thing is that America is the only advanced civilization without a universal healthcare system.  The problem is that the American political system allows too much money in .politics. and the main industries that lobby and provide campaign contributions want anything but a universal healthcare system.  They will lie, cheat, and steal to maintain the system in place and they are always looking for ways to continue the explotation of our country, it's middle class workforce, and the resources, and people, worldwide for that matter.  When has America ever NOT been in a war or conflict?  I am no conspiracy theorist, in fact I am a patriot who served this country for 9 years, but the truth is that America is a war driven economy.  Look at the last presidency for example....President Bush chose Dick Cheney for VP, former CEO of Halliburton the biggest defense contractor in the world.  Now what happens to the biggest defense contractor when America all of a sudden goes to 2 big wars simultaneously?  I will tell you.....I leave my family and go to Iraq for one....for two, Halliburton gets an almost unlimited supply of revenue all the while paying the employees crap.  Halliburton and their subsidy companies like KBR were all I seen in Iraq.......its called a privatized war.... and they did everything from cook our food, to drive the supply convoys, to clean the base facilities, to supply the fuel for all the vehicles, and on and on.  Now Halliburton does bring American employees over there and they may make around $80,000 a year or so but the majority of the "Halliburton" work force is third country nationals from the Philipines, India, or whereever and they get paid maybe a little over the average wage of their country which of course is peanuts compared to $80,000 a year.  I am pretty sure the US government pays Halliburton around $350 a day for any employee in a conflict zone.....but that is only my guess from what information I gathered in country.  The other thing about the third country national employees is that the American military has to provide security chaperone for these "employees".....so not only is our country paying Halliburton big money for them to turn around and pay the employee next to nothing but the country then has to pay for extra soldiers to provide security for these individuals because they are not exactly trustworthy.

[rant=over]

[cltrn81]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

So many of them are. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just sayin'.

Israel

Pretty much any middle eastern country.

And the place has been wrought with war since the beginning of history.

As one of faith I think government can be ran more effectively WITHOUT the influence of religion.

I've been to Iraq. As the first civilization in the history of the WORLD they still live in the stone age. They live in mud huts with barely any electricity or running water. They trash everything around them.

Would you like to know why?

Their religion. The government won't do anything about it because their religion doesn't allow it. It has nothing to do with war. It's their religion that influence the government which in turn influences the people. Making them incredibly lazy and unwilling to do things we consider civilized.

Well religion is kind of to blame since Iraq was actually part of the original paradise, aka the Garden of Eden, and god pretty much made it a {wasteland} after the whole Adam/Eve eating the apple from the tree of knowledge.  That land has maintained being a desolate {wasteland} ever since then.

But that's purely theoretical.

I am just pointing out the fact that the bible states this and the truth is that place really has not prospered ever since....