Whoever gets the last post wins!

[MarduArrow]

O.o

[ELLERfeller]

Nothing is real, everything is permitted.

[Piotr]

Time does not exists the same as fear does not exists (danger does) and the same as pain does not exist (damage does). It is just perception of it, of change.

[Apathy Reactor]

What do you mean by not existing?
Fear exists. Humans perceive it in response to danger.

[Apathy Reactor]

Do we create it? Or is it created by chemicals in our brains, as a natural response to danger?

[LinkCelestrial]

Time does not exists the same as fear does not exists (danger does) and the same as pain does not exist (damage does). It is just perception of it, of change.

I disagree. Fear exists, pain exists. They're human emotions experienced daily by millions. Pain is a response to damage, you can tell somebody it doesn't exist, that won't make them stop feeling it. You can tell me time doesn't exist. That doesn't change that I am bound by it and will continue to move forwards through it.

[Piotr]

These things exists as illusions created by the neural network which is your brain. They do not exists objectively in our shared reality. There is no time.

[Piotr]

And yes, once you realise what pain really is, you can control it.

[Kaylesh]

And yes, once you realise what pain really is, you can control it.

Yes, you can control pain. Yet, the part where something doesn't exist because it is a creation of your neural network is somewhat flawed.

I have some hypersensitive folks in my group of friends, somewhat hypersensitive myself when it comes to people close to me.
When one of my kids is really tired, they snuggle up to me, revitalize, and I end up tired.
Likewise with pain. Only the other day, I got a terrible ache in my right leg, while no damage of any sort had occurred. Turns out my wife had done too much, and suffered from spams and pains because of it.

And to claim that something doesn't exist because it isn't in our shared reality can be shot at as well. Take the hypothetical situation of a person who lives in an enclosed condo resort. He does not ever experience lacking anything. Any desire he has, is satisfied.

Outside of this resort is poverty. People have to fight over grains of rice.
Because the person inside and out do not share the notion of scarcity, does that mean it doesn't exist?


- If the human brain was so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. (I've got the quote from the Civilizations series, unsure who said it originally).

[Splicer]

Time is, of course, theorised to be the fourth dimension. Meausrement of time I believe to be a construct(because we're actually watching entropy in action), but if you take stock in the Copenhagen school then it doesn't matter if it's "real" or not because what is "real" is what you perceive. Everyone lives in their own perceived universe. As for pain and fear, those are entirely in the mind(and body), but the hormones are physical and the reactions are physical, so even if you do not take stock in the Copenhagen school, these emotions do exist in a "shared reality"(if such a thing even exists).

[Piotr]

Mistaken man who follows logical fallacies said this ;] The quote is untrue.

[Splicer]

Mistaken man who follows logical fallacies said this ;] The quote is untrue.

Who is it? Anyway, the quote is philosophical and infallible, it's meant to be hyperbolic and make you think, not prove a point.

[Piotr]

Time is, of course, theorised to be the fourth dimension. Meausrement of time I believe to be a construct(because we're actually watching entropy in action), but if you take stock in the Copenhagen school then it doesn't matter if it's "real" or not because what is "real" is what you perceive. Everyone lives in their own perceived universe. As for pain and fear, those are entirely in the mind(and body), but the hormones are physical and the reactions are physical, so even if you do not take stock in the Copenhagen school, these emotions do exist in a "shared reality"(if such a thing even exists).

In which theory is time a 4th dimension? Never heard of it.

Entropy is just one of kinds of change and is not responsible for what we perceive as time.

Indeed. In that sense time is real because we can coordinate our changes in the shared reality. But it is not of any substance or serious importance in explaining how reality works. And can be entirely discarded if order of change is considered instead.

[Splicer]

Time is, of course, theorised to be the fourth dimension. Meausrement of time I believe to be a construct(because we're actually watching entropy in action), but if you take stock in the Copenhagen school then it doesn't matter if it's "real" or not because what is "real" is what you perceive. Everyone lives in their own perceived universe. As for pain and fear, those are entirely in the mind(and body), but the hormones are physical and the reactions are physical, so even if you do not take stock in the Copenhagen school, these emotions do exist in a "shared reality"(if such a thing even exists).

In which theory is time a 4th dimension? Never heard of it.

Entropy is just one of kinds of change and is not responsible for what we perceive as time.

Indeed. In that sense time is real because we can coordinate our changes in the shared reality. But it is not of any substance or serious importance in explaining how reality works. And can be entirely discarded if order of change is considered instead.

Time is a fourth dimension in some of Einstein's equations, as well as variations of string theory, M theory, supergravity, etc.

Our measurement of time follows the arrow of entropy in that "order always progresses to disorder". You can't unbake a cake, per se.

Order of change is time in that sense. It is important in reality because it tracks changes, and therefore what it becomes is a series of changes in succession. You say time is unimportant in determining reality, but I would say that you are discarding one notion of time for another.

[MarduArrow]

O.o