Can we start being more strict on casual versus competitive?

[Kaalia with haste]

Maybe I'm alone in this but I feel like a lot of decks on here aren't really qualified for any kind of tournament play, and we have the casual section for things like that. I feel the mods here all have a pretty good idea of what a casual deck versus a competitive deck looks like.

Just want to clarify: I'm not against casual decks being posted on here, just against them being in competitive forums.

[redwolv]

So we should up any format specfic but not teir one competative decks in the casual deck forum? How do we determine competitiveness? Decks that fit the current meta in each format? Decks that are competitive at local meta but maybe not pro tour level?
I am not right to shoot this down but you need better guidelines then "must be competative".

Imo i like that when i visit the standard subform i can find stuff like "zada combo" sure it might not be competative at pro level but how many decks really are? If you want a forum/list of competative list go find the pro tour top 8 listings. And what about commander? Thats a casual format imo, unless playing french. So commander subform can only be competative french banlist decks?

[Prplprince]

The only time you should force a deck into casual is if it's truly a kitchen table only deck and that's really hard to do. For instance there's a deck that was moved from here not to long ago that was mono red  {Scapeshift}. Now that's a casual deck but you can't say the guy who has an  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} Manifest combo deck in modern is strictly a casual deck when he may actually play it at his shop and do very well with it

[Codester1991]

I agree with this. On top of that, it should happen without argument if the deck builder refuses help. Decks can be tweaked from the casual section to be competitive for instance they can post their lists like this

Deck Name
Deck List
Notes: Looking to get into standard and want to make this deck more competitive any help appreciated

Or

Notes: want to build modern what is your opinions on this list? What needs to be dropped or added?


Instead we have people who get upset when you say "hey man that 4 drop goblin is kinda slow In the format" and their response is usually something like "if I wanted your opinion I would have asked for it."

[griffin131]

The people who won't buy tangos because they're expensive aren't making competitive lists. That's a budget list that should be in casual.

And if I'm not playing battles because I'm running G/B and there isn't one?

And who says budget lists should be in casual?  Should anyone opting not to buy Goyfs in modern be relegated to Casual?


The forums are formats. Casual is a format.

[Prplprince]

Maybe it's possible that we reorganize it?
Currently it is
- DECKS (magic the gathering) -
Commander
Standard
Modern
Legacy
Casual


It could be grouped
-COMPETITIVE-
Commander
Standard
Modern...

-CASUAL-
Competitive
Standard
Modern

Know what I mean?

I like this idea. Problem for the app users where would it be posted to one of them?

[redwolv]

The people who won't buy tangos because they're expensive aren't making competitive lists. That's a budget list that should be in casual.

And if I'm not playing battles because I'm running G/B and there isn't one?

And who says budget lists should be in casual?  Should anyone opting not to buy Goyfs in modern be relegated to Casual?


The forums are formats. Casual is a format.

Exactly.

[Falcon182]

I don't mind. You can tell if a list is competitive or not.

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

Ive said it before and i will say it again. Nowhere in the rules for posting does it say a deck list must be of a certain level of competitiveness to be allowed to be posted in a given section. Either have the rules for posting changed and clearly stated, or stop being an elitist and get on with life.

[MuggyWuggy]

If you want t1 deck list then Goto mtgtop8 and then get a bunch of results for decks at mtgo that win small insignificant tournament s

[Kaylesh]

Note: speaking for myself here.

Sometimes you just have an idea that you'd like to try in a format. Like my Zada combo thing in standard. I got a little carried away with it: so I posted a modern list as well and I asked: would this work in modern? I got constructive feedback, people liked it. I am open to criticism, however I don't have tons of cash to shell at a deck. The standard deck ended up costing about €30,- and I had fun one FNM. Yeah, I won only 1 or 2 games standard, and I realized there are way more competitive builds, so dropped it. Should I have asked for casual help, I'd never gotten those 2 games in I think. In the subforums dwell people that know the format, it's the place where you get the info.

I'd rather see people discuss decks intended for a specific format on that particular subforum. When you spot a "weak" deck, be constructive. Say why you think it folds to like 95% of the meta, suggest things that make it competitive if possible.
If all you have to say is: "take this back to your kitchen table where it belongs", skip the thread.

That's my $0,02...

[General Kiwi]

Note: speaking for myself here.

Sometimes you just have an idea that you'd like to try in a format. Like my Zada combo thing in standard. I got a little carried away with it: so I posted a modern list as well and I asked: would this work in modern? I got constructive feedback, people liked it. I am open to criticism, however I don't have tons of cash to shell at a deck. The standard deck ended up costing about €30,- and I had fun one FNM. Yeah, I won only 1 or 2 games standard, and I realized there are way more competitive builds, so dropped it. Should I have asked for casual help, I'd never gotten those 2 games in I think. In the subforums dwell people that know the format, it's the place where you get the info.

I'd rather see people discuss decks intended for a specific format on that particular subforum. When you spot a "weak" deck, be constructive. Say why you think it folds to like 95% of the meta, suggest things that make it competitive if possible.
If all you have to say is: "take this back to your kitchen table where it belongs", skip the thread.

That's my $0,02...

Finally this was a rant I can fully support!

[DirtyMustachio]

Jesus this is splitting hairs, just scroll a little bit

[Kaylesh]

The people who won't buy tangos because they're expensive aren't making competitive lists. That's a budget list that should be in casual.

And if I'm not playing battles because I'm running G/B and there isn't one?

And who says budget lists should be in casual?  Should anyone opting not to buy Goyfs in modern be relegated to Casual?


The forums are formats. Casual is a format.

You completely missed my point. If your deck needs a card to improve, but you're too cheap to spend $4 on it, then it's a casual deck.

If you want to build twin, but don't want to buy serum visions because of the price, it's a casual deck.

If you don't put key cards in a list, it will affect it, no doubt. However, cheaper decks are not necessarily bad/casual. Think Soul Sisters in modern, or some cheaper legacy list. (Lands vs fish for example).

[mickeven]

so the proposition is that budget builds and homebrews should be casual?