Whoever gets the last post wins!

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Kaylesh

I must be honest. While I agree with the law, and will continue to apply it for me as a person, I will also continue to be leftish. Nobody wants to be treated like scum and roam the streets because they happened to have had some bad luck. (I know what a streak of bad luck is, and if I would have been left on my own, dependent on the scraps people would give me out of kindness, I likely wouldn't be able to support me and my family).
Thus, while this puts me in a somewhat awkward position, I cannot logically embrace that there should be no taxing. Rather, it should be so that the reasons of taxation be clear, so that people will accept them and willingly pay, to prevent them from being pursued by beggars in the street. (I don't know too many people who take delight in being stopped by beggars, so they wouldn't want that done, so it is against the law, but how would you punish? Gun to the face? I hope not).

Extremism is a bad thing, it kills logic. Communism is extreme, and with its power and corruption has been extremely bad. (Even without taking Stalin into the equation, that guy killed more than Hitler did).
However, I must say that in believing an entity can function entirely without taxation (when it gets bigger, in a family this can function fine), when left to its own devices, anarchy would follow suit, because their are those, who would reap only the benefits and not give anything, resulting in a disrupting unbalance that would result in riots by the people who have nothing left.
My evidence lies in the nature of man, the same nature that has proven itself in the corruption in the Sovjet era and the acts of politicians and bankers during the Greece breakdown. There are those, who would put themselves before anyone, not learning a scrap from history.
/end rant.


Piotr

Quote from: Kaylesh on September 07, 2015, 03:48:35 AM
I must be honest. While I agree with the law, and will continue to apply it for me as a person, I will also continue to be leftish.

And I will continue to convince you that what you think is leftish is in fact not :)

Socialism is the big lie because it is based on false assumptions, thus making it wrong in theory.

Socialism is big fat lie because in practice it fails or slows down the achievement of goals and purposes it was designed to solve.

Socialism is big fat lie because it is used by mean people to control naive people. For this purpose it works brilliantly.

Piotr

Quote from: Kaylesh on September 07, 2015, 03:48:35 AM(...) I cannot logically embrace that there should be no taxing. Rather, it should be so that the reasons of taxation be clear, so that people will accept them and willingly pay(...)

Yes you can.

Deebiia

Attack on Titan: Great Show (Thankfully wasn't another pink, frilly cheerleader anime show that seem to come in hordes)

Socialism/.politics.: Garbage people doing awful things and justifying their acts to idiots. I love anarchy. End of discussion from me.

Taysby doesn't keep up with music?: That's fine I don't either. *waving my cane in the air* Ya damn kids with your Pandoorknob and uPods.

Piotr talking about socialism, but secretly hoping that the world ends and he gets the last post: I caught your plan.

Kaylesh

Quote from: Piotr on September 07, 2015, 04:30:56 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on September 07, 2015, 03:48:35 AM(...) I cannot logically embrace that there should be no taxing. Rather, it should be so that the reasons of taxation be clear, so that people will accept them and willingly pay(...)

Yes you can.
But how will the people who enforce the law get by?
How will we protect our nation from those "evil" people. Some seem to be incorrectable, do not wish to see the logic of doing no harm unto others, because all they see is: others do not do unto me what I do not wish, except in punishment, which I'd like to introduce as first perversion of the law, if you are ok with that Piotr..

Piotr

Quote from: Kaylesh on September 07, 2015, 06:05:39 AM
How will we protect our nation from those "evil" people. Some seem to be incorrectable, do not wish to see the logic of doing no harm unto others

We start by making almost everybody embrace this logic. Then we get rid of the system which can not work as advocated if some of us are evil, and we go back to the system which works fair enough when some of us are evil.

Kaylesh

Quote from: Piotr on September 07, 2015, 06:09:51 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on September 07, 2015, 06:05:39 AM
How will we protect our nation from those "evil" people. Some seem to be incorrectable, do not wish to see the logic of doing no harm unto others

We start by making almost everybody embrace this logic. Then we get rid of the system which can not work as advocated if some of us are evil, and we go back to the system which works fair enough when some of us are evil.
Glory if that day would come. I embrace fairness in systems, and I agree the current system also rewards those that take take take.

Piotr

Quote from: Kaylesh on September 07, 2015, 08:37:05 AM
Glory if that day would come.

This change is in progress, not a question of 'if' but 'when'.

Kaylesh


Piotr


MarduArrow

Sometimes darkness can show you the light

Kaylesh

Quote from: MarduArrow on September 07, 2015, 11:06:22 AM
Sometimes darkness can show you the light
In darkness, the smallest lights become easier to see.

Piotr

Do not let what you do not have prevent you from using what you do have.

Kaylesh

Quote from: Piotr on September 07, 2015, 11:17:08 AM
Do not let what you do not have prevent you from using what you do have.
Sound advice. I've got plenty others don't have, some more useful then others though. Figuring out how to use coeliaki atm. (Gluten).