Lands in front of spells

[Mattao19]

yes Im one of those ppl. But I don't get why ppl dislike it so much?

I wouldn't have brought it up except last night at FNM a spectating guy said (during my match) that he can't wait for BFZ so ppl can't do that anymore I looked and smirked thinking he was saying it in a friendly way. So I said Ya its gunna suck for me. And then he looked at me and said "there's a reason they're stopping ppl like you" he didn't say it in a mean way but he said it implying that somehow I was cheating bc of it. I didn't really get it though. Is it a common thing for lands front ppl to cheat?

I mean I play control so I rarely have nonland permanents on the field I do it for personal comfort mostly and I get the occasional friendly heckle but in the end does it matter? Who cares where I put my lands/spells??

[MuggyWuggy]

Just remember that rule only applies to PT on camera matches

Cuz then I just tell people to F off, I play similar, sometimes I have my things set up in squares, I move mana for organizing and also for making false tells.

Read the rules I tell people, just like often you must tell people to RTFC


I will quote rules for you

[MuggyWuggy]

The full details of how their cards must be laid out on the table in the video feature match area can be found below:

Creatures must be in front of lands, and nothing can be behind lands.
The library can be on either side of the play area (left or right).
The graveyard must be adjacent to the library (player can choose which side of play area both are on).
The exile zone must be near the library/graveyard and must be distinct from the graveyard.
If a card is exiled by a permanent in play, the exiled card must be placed in proximity to the exiling permanent such that it is obvious that the two are associated.
All untapped cards in play must face the controller of that card.

This layout will only be enforced during matches in the area where video recording is taking place. This layout change will not be enforced outside of that, however we strongly encourage players to use this layout when playing their matches in an off-camera area. It is not only good practice for when you are under the feature match camera, but also encourages a regular layout among all Magic players, which improves everyone's ability to understand what is going on in a game when observing the gameplay area.

[MuggyWuggy]

Source: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/changes-starting-pro-tour-magic-origins-2015-06-29

[Kaalia with haste]

1. What changes in bfz? Nothing except for that you can't do it on camera right? And I think that change already happened.

2. Everyone knows that it doesn't meant cheating, this guys probably just a tool.

3. I don't know why people hate it so much either. I want to start doing it to mess with my friends who have an adamant hate for it *ahem dimiroverlord

[Mattao19]

Thanks Muggy! +1 for awesomenes

[Mattao19]

It is just for feature matches but for some reason ppl get ticked off by it lol I think lands first just looks cleaner no cards falling off the table, opponent can easily see my lands and what mana I have available. Idk I like lands first

[MuggyWuggy]

Glad to help!

[Double-O-Scotch]

Well I get it, it's a pet peeve of mine aswell and I feel it's all about courtesy. If you aren't running non-land permanents, it's no big deal, but the people who put their lands up top and their non land closest to them is annoying. I can visually see what's closest to me easiest. I don't need to be able to read what an island does, I already know, however, non land permanents that effect the board state should be easier to see for your opponents who may be unfamiliar with that particular card. The player who put those cards in their deck shouldn't need to have them closer to themselves as they should already be familiar with it.  Not everybody has a mental mtg database in their head.  The resentment (from people like me) spawns from players who do this to draw attention away from cards they want to keep in play.

Not to mention logic. How are all those elves going to attack me if they're on the wrong side of the forest. I'm over here. Past the forest. On the other side of the table.

Anyways, that's my take on it.

[Mattao19]

Ya that's a fair point. And I agree with those points a lot (especially the elf attacking lol) I've also been taking a step further and playing like Adrian Sullivan lol example I play Narset upside down so my opponent can read her bc ppl aren't familiar with her at all

[MuggyWuggy]

Elves usually have forest walk

[Double-O-Scotch]

Elves usually walk in forests but most elves are forest walk free.  ({Eledamri, lord of leaves} and the {elvish champion} absent, of course)

[redwolv]

I hate it. My first experience was a guy who started coming to my lgs' fnm. He placed really well the first week and on the second one i was watching him play a friend of mine in round 2. My friend was relatively new. I got crushed by a rdw so they had only finished the first hand but i did see during the first game he was pointing things out on stuff. I thought it was really nice of him to help teach a new player. I was kinda half watching him during their second round and thought i saw him untap something while doing one of his pointouts but wasn't sure cause i had been playing on my phone, i started watching more closely and noticed him do it again. He had untapped a mana dork so he hand enough mana to counter my friends spell. Judge called, i explained, i claimed me and my friend were lieing, etc. judge decicided to watch the rest of that round. He ends up lossing hands 2 and 3.

Judge ends up giving him a suggestion to keep his lands in the back to "avoid confusion like that in the future." That guy has never returned to my lgs after that.

So i have a stigma against it now. So i now play with a really weird board structure against them and watch them extea close.

[Rass]

A cheater is gonna cheat. It doesn't matter what you do.

[redwolv]

A cheater is gonna cheat. It doesn't matter what you do.

True, but my ownly experience with cheating at mtg has been from a land forward player.