New card from bfz

Started by particle, July 29, 2015, 03:24:16 PM

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particle

{oblivion sower}
Ok so it's a new card that when its cast, target opponent exiles the top 4 cards of their library. You can put any number of lands that players own from exile onto the field. Can this ability find lands exiled by something else like {ashiok, nightmare weaver} or just other oblivion sowers. I know ashiok can't find cards exiled by another ashiok but this wording seems weird.

LinkCelestrial

Can I see a pic? Sounds super weird...if it works with {Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} then it's gonna be epic. It currently sounds like it does and feels like it shouldn't.

Remillo

Tentatively, I'm going to say "Yes", because Sower doesn't say "Exiled this way".  You could potentially wombo with {Hedonist's Trove} or {Rest in Peace} to play a bunch of someone else's lands.  However, I'm going to say we should wait until the release notes to know for sure!

Remillo


Kaylesh

Just reading the card it says: any number of land cards that player owns, so that would be any lands in exile, however it got there.

But, as Remilio said, the release notes will be crucial for this interaction.
(Remember C13 & {marath, will of the wild}, which was errata'd right after print)

Splicer

Quote from: Kaylesh on July 29, 2015, 04:31:23 PM
Just reading the card it says: any number of land cards that player owns, so that would be any lands in exile, however it got there.

But, as Remilio said, the release notes will be crucial for this interaction.
(Remember C13 & {marath, will of the wild}, which was errata'd right after print)
Were people abusing the X can equal 0 clause? How?

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Splicer on July 29, 2015, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 29, 2015, 04:31:23 PM
Just reading the card it says: any number of land cards that player owns, so that would be any lands in exile, however it got there.

But, as Remilio said, the release notes will be crucial for this interaction.
(Remember C13 & {marath, will of the wild}, which was errata'd right after print)
Were people abusing the X can equal 0 clause? How?

Infinite ETB?

Kaylesh

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 29, 2015, 04:48:12 PM
Quote from: Splicer on July 29, 2015, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 29, 2015, 04:31:23 PM
Just reading the card it says: any number of land cards that player owns, so that would be any lands in exile, however it got there.

But, as Remilio said, the release notes will be crucial for this interaction.
(Remember C13 & {marath, will of the wild}, which was errata'd right after print)
Were people abusing the X can equal 0 clause? How?

Infinite ETB?
Free targeting for {phantom bear}, or other things that care about becoming target of spell or ability?

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Kaylesh on July 29, 2015, 05:10:52 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 29, 2015, 04:48:12 PM
Quote from: Splicer on July 29, 2015, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 29, 2015, 04:31:23 PM
Just reading the card it says: any number of land cards that player owns, so that would be any lands in exile, however it got there.

But, as Remilio said, the release notes will be crucial for this interaction.
(Remember C13 & {marath, will of the wild}, which was errata'd right after print)
Were people abusing the X can equal 0 clause? How?

Infinite ETB?
Free targeting for {phantom bear}, or other things that care about becoming target of spell or ability?

That too.

Kaalia with haste

This guy and {realm razer}. Best combo ever.

Splicer

Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 29, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
This guy and {realm razer}. Best combo ever.
That...that's an issue...

Kaylesh


LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Kaylesh on July 30, 2015, 02:05:48 AM
Quote from: Splicer on July 30, 2015, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 29, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
This guy and {realm razer}. Best combo ever.
That...that's an issue...
Wow.... Just wow..

Two six cmc spells though. Not going to screw broken yet. Super cool though.

Kaylesh

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 30, 2015, 11:10:46 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 30, 2015, 02:05:48 AM
Quote from: Splicer on July 30, 2015, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on July 29, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
This guy and {realm razer}. Best combo ever.
That...that's an issue...
Wow.... Just wow..

Two six cmc spells though. Not going to screw broken yet. Super cool though.
I'm afraid to say it, but I know a certain commander in those colors, who scoffs at cmcs.

blackychan1

Mayael? She can't hit {realm razer}