FNM Grixis Delver

Started by cltrn81, May 20, 2015, 02:05:23 PM

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cltrn81

FNM Grixis Delver

60 cards, 0 sideboard

1 {Swamp} 1 Unhinged Foil
1 {Mountain} Unhinged
1 {Island} Unhinged
2 {Darkslick Shores}
2 {Watery Grave} Gatecrash Foil
2 {Blood Crypt} RtR Foil
2 {Steam Vent} RtR
4 {Bloodstained Mire} KtK Foil
4 {Polluted Delta} 2 Ktk Foil and 2 Regular

19 lands


4 {Delver of Secrets} Foil
3 {Young Pyromancer} Foil
3 {Snapcaster Mage} 3 Foil and 1 Regular
2 {Gurmag Angler}
2 {Tasigur, the Golden Fang} Fate Foil

14 creatures


4 {Serum Visions} 5th Dawn Foil
4 {Lightning Bolt} Sliver Foil
4 {Gitaxian Probe} Foil Promo
4 {Thought Scour}
1 {Kolaghan's Command}
2 {Remand} Duel Deck
4 {Mana Leak} 1 Full art promo and 3 M12
4 {Terminate} Full art promo

27 other spells


Sideboard
1 {Liliana of the Veil}
2 {Slaughter Games}
2 {Thoughtseize}
1 {Spell Snare}
1 {Dragon's Claw}
1 {Rakdos Charm}
1 {Engineered Explosive}
1 {Olivia Voldaren}
1 {Counterflux}
1 {Jorubai Murk Lurker}
1 {Izzet Staticaster}
2 {Dispel}

Esper


cltrn81

May take out Bob for Tasigur

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
May take out Bob for Tasigur

I support that idea. {Murderous Cut} and {Logic Knot} can also help use up that GY that the TC and DTT left behind. I'd definitely run something with delve.

As for the sideboard all I can think is GY hate with {Leyline of the Void} and {Rain of Gore} for life gain hate.

cltrn81

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 20, 2015, 02:41:11 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
May take out Bob for Tasigur

I support that idea. {Murderous Cut} and {Logic Knot} can also help use up that GY that the TC and DTT left behind. I'd definitely run something with delve.

As for the sideboard all I can think is GY hate with {Leyline of the Void} and {Rain of Gore} for life gain hate.
I thought about more delve spells but I want to use and abuse snapcaster.  I will add {skullcrack} to the SB though for life gain hate.

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 02:53:31 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 20, 2015, 02:41:11 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
May take out Bob for Tasigur

I support that idea. {Murderous Cut} and {Logic Knot} can also help use up that GY that the TC and DTT left behind. I'd definitely run something with delve.

As for the sideboard all I can think is GY hate with {Leyline of the Void} and {Rain of Gore} for life gain hate.
I thought about more delve spells but I want to use and abuse snapcaster.  I will add {skullcrack} to the SB though for life gain hate.

Understandable. I feel like {Rain of Gore} is better than {Skullcrack} but that'd only really be vs Soul Sisters and {Kor Firewalker} things.

cltrn81

Quote from: ConanEdo on May 20, 2015, 03:20:45 PM
Definitely Tasigur, he and Gurmag Angler are {Tarmogoyf} for these colors.
i am kind of thinking of taking out pyromance to add 2 tasigur and 1 angler.  any recommendations on what to take out?

I would also take out confidant and put in the 4th remand or a single cryptic command if i add tasigur

DimirOverlord1300

Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 20, 2015, 03:20:45 PM
Definitely Tasigur, he and Gurmag Angler are {Tarmogoyf} for these colors.
i am kind of thinking of taking out pyromance to add 2 tasigur and 1 angler.  any recommendations on what to take out?

I would also take out confidant and put in the 4th remand or a single cryptic command if i add tasigur
The grixis lists I have seen doing well are playing 3 pyro and some combination of tasigurs and gurmags. They also are only playing 2 remand. I also don't think life gain hate is necessary sb, there's one deck that actually gets any use out of it and that deck is tier three.

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on May 20, 2015, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 20, 2015, 03:20:45 PM
Definitely Tasigur, he and Gurmag Angler are {Tarmogoyf} for these colors.
i am kind of thinking of taking out pyromance to add 2 tasigur and 1 angler.  any recommendations on what to take out?

I would also take out confidant and put in the 4th remand or a single cryptic command if i add tasigur
The grixis lists I have seen doing well are playing 3 pyro and some combination of tasigurs and gurmags. They also are only playing 2 remand. I also don't think life gain hate is necessary sb, there's one deck that actually gets any use out of it and that deck is tier three.

I was thinking with the popularity of {Kor Firewalker} and {Seige Rhino}. There are also a couple of lists that have a copy or two of {Soulfire Grand Master}, and lifelink creatures in general. Plus the {Kitchen Finks} combo wombo. I guess it's really meta dependant. Hoses Soul Sisters though.

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: ConanEdo on May 20, 2015, 06:42:25 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 20, 2015, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on May 20, 2015, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 20, 2015, 03:20:45 PM
Definitely Tasigur, he and Gurmag Angler are {Tarmogoyf} for these colors.
i am kind of thinking of taking out pyromance to add 2 tasigur and 1 angler.  any recommendations on what to take out?

I would also take out confidant and put in the 4th remand or a single cryptic command if i add tasigur
The grixis lists I have seen doing well are playing 3 pyro and some combination of tasigurs and gurmags. They also are only playing 2 remand. I also don't think life gain hate is necessary sb, there's one deck that actually gets any use out of it and that deck is tier three.

I was thinking with the popularity of {Kor Firewalker} and {Seige Rhino}. There are also a couple of lists that have a copy or two of {Soulfire Grand Master}, and lifelink creatures in general. Plus the {Kitchen Finks} combo wombo. I guess it's really meta dependant. Hoses Soul Sisters though.
You don't care about lifegain from Rhino and if people are bringing in Kor Firewalker against Grixis Delver they're bad at magic. Soulfire Grandmaster isn't popular enough to care about it and you should be able to beat Soul Sisters.
I have soul sisters together, and that MU is definitely favorable towards soul sisters. That said, I've only played the martyr proc version against delver, not the mono-w aggro one, but it seems mediocre for delver and kinda rough for SS. It's prob like 55-45 in delvers favor if I had to guess.

cltrn81

Well first round of testing and pyromancer stays.  I am not sure tasigur is worth adding.  Maybe i will swap the single bob for a tasigur.  I just feel i kind of need to run {thoughtscour} and {gitaxian probe} to really abuse him and i just do not want to take out stuff to add all of that.

cltrn81

I just realized something gross so I am going to test it out.  First off, here are the changes:

-1 Bob
-1 Thoughtseize
-1 Inquisition of Kozilek
-1 Swamp
-1 Remand
-1 Terminate

+1 Tasigur
+1 Snapcaster
+1 Kolaghan's Command
+3 Funeral Charm

The gross part is mid-game I can instant speed discard on the end of my opponent's draw step and repeat with snapcaster, funeral charm, and kolaghan's command.  Kolaghan's is also a nice chump block combo with snapcaster......flash in snappy, name kolaghan's, chump block with snappy, cast kolaghan's to return snappy with a bonus.

cltrn81

Dare I say that I am considering cutting Lily for a couple more instant/sorc????

Maybe {murderous cut} and the 4th {terminate}

Kaalia with haste

Lili seems kinda bad in this deck. If you wanna play Lili play a GBx deck

DimirOverlord1300

Funeral charm seems kinda bad, I think this deck is way stronger with a couple delve creatures, thought scours, and no Lilly's.