Giest Angels

BadLuckIrish · May 17, 2012, 12:30:02 PM

Do the angels made by {Giest of Saint Traft} trigger once or do they all trigger every ens of combat? (first time ever playing Giest and {Sundial of the Infinite}.)

BlackJester · May 17, 2012, 12:45:25 PM

We've been saying over and over that is does let you keep it, but now that I sit back and read it closely, I'm not 100% sure that you wouldn't lose it at the end of the next combat phase. Is this a "one-time" trigger or a trigger every end of combat, like {Ball Lightning}?

Hmmmm.....

Jake, Fart Sculptor · May 17, 2012, 12:47:12 PM

Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 17, 2012, 12:30:02 PM
Do the angels made by {Giest of Saint Traft} trigger once or do they all trigger every ens of combat? (first time ever playing Giest and {Sundial of the Infinite}.)

Not sure if I understand the question, but EVERY time you attack with the Geist, you get an angel tapped and attacking, he's legendary, so only one can be on the bf at a time.

cltrn81 · May 17, 2012, 12:55:46 PM

Quote from: Jake, Fart Sculptor on May 17, 2012, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on May 17, 2012, 12:30:02 PM
Do the angels made by {Giest of Saint Traft} trigger once or do they all trigger every ens of combat? (first time ever playing Giest and {Sundial of the Infinite}.)
Not sure if I understand the question, but EVERY time you attack with the Geist, you get an angel tapped and attacking, he's legendary, so only one can be on the bf at a time.

He is saying that if you use the sundial to keep the token, which you can if u use the dial when the "sacrifice token" goes on the stack......will that token disappear the next round. No it will not, a token is a token with no writing on it to say it has to be sacrificed.....the Geist is making you sacrifice the token and only the one he makes that round.

Edit: the Geist says to sac "that" token, meaning the one just created, not the one that you got to keep from last round by cheating the system 🔨

BlackJester · May 17, 2012, 02:29:58 PM

Yeah, it's a one-time trigger. I don't know why I questioned myself. I keep forgetting that I'm never wrong, why can't I just accept that?

Jokes, jokes, jokes.

Poof · May 17, 2012, 03:28:08 PM

I think the only time I've seen you be wrong is when you thought soulbond could be attached to any other creature etb even if already paired

BlackJester · May 17, 2012, 04:10:12 PM

Quote from: Poof on May 17, 2012, 03:28:08 PM
I think the only time I've seen you be wrong is when you thought soulbond could be attached to any other creature etb even if already paired

I have been wrong. I still think, strictly based on the wording on the card, my interpretation is correct. They do fix it in FAQ though, so I know you can't.

Specifically, I though that if you had a paired creature with soulbond in play and a new creature enters, since the new creature is unpaired the soulbond creature could "switch".

Poof · May 17, 2012, 07:26:31 PM

The second sentence does say "they remain paired as long you control both of them". Meaning if another group was already paired this sentence would apply to them as well I don't see how it could be interpreted any other way.

scarsabrex · May 17, 2012, 07:45:14 PM

Quote from: Poof on May 17, 2012, 07:26:31 PM
The second sentence does say "they remain paired as long you control both of them". Meaning if another group was already paired this sentence would apply to them as well I don't see how it could be interpreted any other way.

i think the reminder text is missing a crucial "must"

otherwise the reminder text miight be there just so that players know pairng doesn't end at end of turn or anything.

BlackJester · May 17, 2012, 07:49:40 PM

Off topic:

Soulbond (You may pair this creature with another unpaired creature when either enters the battlefield. They remain paired for as long as you control both of them.)

{Nightshade Peddler} is on the BF and paired with, say, a {Llanawar Elf}.
I cast {Nettle Swine}.

Now, did an unpaired creature ETB? Yes.
Based on this wording alone, why can't I pair the Peddler with this new unpaired creature?

Sagemaster · May 17, 2012, 08:42:28 PM

Because peddler isn't unpaired...But I do see what you're saying

Jake, Fart Sculptor · May 17, 2012, 08:50:58 PM

"Another unpaired creature." not "with an unpaired creature"
"another" implies that both must be unpaired.

Poof · May 17, 2012, 08:56:55 PM

Because of the second sentence. It says they remain paired as long as you control both of them. Do you still control the elf and the peddler? Are they paired yes and Yes. They remain paired until you don't control one of them anymore. just like the wording states.

Soulbond says it the peddler remains paired with the elf as long as you control both of them.

Sagemaster · May 17, 2012, 09:02:17 PM

Quote from: Poof on May 17, 2012, 08:56:55 PM
Because of the second sentence. It says they remain paired as long as you control both of them. Do you still control the elf and the peddler? Are they paired yes and Yes. They remain paired until you don't control one of them anymore. just like the wording states.

Soulbond says it the peddler remains paired with the elf as long as you control both of them.

The second sentence can be interpreted as they must remain paired as long as you control them, so as long as peddler is paired it can be switched to pair with something else..

Poof · May 17, 2012, 09:07:30 PM

I don't see how anyone can make that assumption. The second sentence follows the first and you would think when the second sentence says "they" it's referring to the two creatures you already bonded in the first sentence.

Even if you interpret it the way you say it wouldn't work because the other guy you're breaking the bond with doesn't "remain paired"