Play group BS

Started by Mattacheu, March 01, 2015, 03:47:10 AM

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LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Mattacheu on March 01, 2015, 05:50:14 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 01, 2015, 04:21:32 PM
Build a deck that specifically counters his
Hexproof
Indestructible
Counter deck
Creatures less burn
I have. Once I select a deck, people know what it is via the sleeves. He looks over, and picks the deck that would best work against mine. I use my mill, he uses blood rush. I use a simic aggro, murder. Ruins a lot of games for me.

This is exactly what I did when my meta became Mono Black Devotion vs Extrort. I expressed my distaste, but everyone had one of the two above decks and played them. So I built a mono black devotion deck, hunted down {Erebos, God of the Dead} and completely destroyed them. Now those two archetypes are played how they should be. On occasion. With everyone groaning and forming alliances against them.

It sounds like this guy is countering your decks because he has to. You said it yourself earlier that they should sideboard cards to stop you. He's taking it to the extreme. But here's the thing. You know what he's doing and you haven't countered it. When you get home, swap your sleeves. Show up, pick a deck, he'll pick the counter deck but it'll be the wrong one. Then call him out on it.

It sounds like you have a very unhealthy playgroup but you need to realize that you are part of the problem. Maybe suggest casual games so people can try janky tribal and stuff, then competitive games where you get to rock the decks you like. I don't think there's a solution without comprimise.

If I was in your shoes I'd be playing janky decks and brewing all the time to keep them guessing. Then I'd play my nasty decks every once in a while, just to spice things up.

Please understand that I'm not coming at you. I'm trying to help and make this whole thing a better experience for everyone. The purpose of magic is to have fun. Not piss each other off.

Silent1236

Quote from: Sto5rm on March 01, 2015, 09:34:03 AM
TURBO FOG - That is all.

So much this.  If he wants to bitch about a degenerate deck, then you should do this and really get him going.

MuggyWuggy

Quote from: Silent1236 on March 01, 2015, 09:54:50 PM
Quote from: Sto5rm on March 01, 2015, 09:34:03 AM
TURBO FOG - That is all.

So much this.  If he wants to bitch about a degenerate deck, then you should do this and really get him going.

Lol, fog for 30 minutes, then say you gotta go cuz your cat is on fire.

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on March 01, 2015, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on March 01, 2015, 09:54:50 PM
Quote from: Sto5rm on March 01, 2015, 09:34:03 AM
TURBO FOG - That is all.

So much this.  If he wants to bitch about a degenerate deck, then you should do this and really get him going.

Lol, fog for 30 minutes, then say you gotta go cuz your cat is on fire.

"I gotta go see a man about a {Bronze Sable}."

Mattacheu

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 01, 2015, 09:19:20 PM
Quote from: Mattacheu on March 01, 2015, 05:50:14 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on March 01, 2015, 04:21:32 PM
Build a deck that specifically counters his
Hexproof
Indestructible
Counter deck
Creatures less burn
I have. Once I select a deck, people know what it is via the sleeves. He looks over, and picks the deck that would best work against mine. I use my mill, he uses blood rush. I use a simic aggro, murder. Ruins a lot of games for me.

This is exactly what I did when my meta became Mono Black Devotion vs Extrort. I expressed my distaste, but everyone had one of the two above decks and played them. So I built a mono black devotion deck, hunted down {Erebos, God of the Dead} and completely destroyed them. Now those two archetypes are played how they should be. On occasion. With everyone groaning and forming alliances against them.

It sounds like this guy is countering your decks because he has to. You said it yourself earlier that they should sideboard cards to stop you. He's taking it to the extreme. But here's the thing. You know what he's doing and you haven't countered it. When you get home, swap your sleeves. Show up, pick a deck, he'll pick the counter deck but it'll be the wrong one. Then call him out on it.

It sounds like you have a very unhealthy playgroup but you need to realize that you are part of the problem. Maybe suggest casual games so people can try janky tribal and stuff, then competitive games where you get to rock the decks you like. I don't think there's a solution without comprimise.

If I was in your shoes I'd be playing janky decks and brewing all the time to keep them guessing. Then I'd play my nasty decks every once in a while, just to spice things up.

Please understand that I'm not coming at you. I'm trying to help and make this whole thing a better experience for everyone. The purpose of magic is to have fun. Not piss each other off.
No man, I know your just trying to help, and I appreciate it so much. Every game is casual unfortunately, so everyone is either competitive as hell, or janky. Mostly competitive. The sleeve swap is a good idea, so it shall be done. Thank you for the help. :)

Nfidel2k

Me personally I take it as a compliment when one or more people tech against me.  But everyone is right - there are really only two options.  1. Change your group or 2. Change yourself.  You can't control what they do so learn to live with it and still have fun, or find a new group that will let you play the way you want.  And while I enjoy winning, I would advise don't fall into the trap of winning is everything.  Winning only matters when something is on the line.  When I play casual, I play fun decks I built just for casual.  Occasionally something beefier, if I am feeling moody and want to beat something down.  But most casual groups don't get on well if everyone is trying to play top tier decks or early kills - someone always gets the short end of the stick.  Your casual group should be your friends, and you should be theirs.

Dsx Cherno

Above all else, figure out what you want in a group, and communicate with them.

If you want to be able to practice and prep for tournament, tell them that's what you want a group for. And see if they are on board. I'm working on getting my current group to build standard so I have someone to practice against. I even invite them to prerelease events, and find myself giving them commons/uncommons they need for their builds.

If you just want some casual games, build different decks. I know someone else said it, but it's perfect. Use ur group to build crazy off the wall decks. Grab a random card and build a deck around it. Draw a keyword ability out of a hat and build it. I have a couple decks that I built for fun. Like a RGU beast deck with {aether charge}, {cryptic gateway} and mana ramped into playing {godsire} and {nicol bolas, planeswalker}.

Know what you want, talk to them, and be willing to compromise. Maybe they can devote some energy to serious decks and you devote some to jank. Then everyone gets what they want, and has fun with it.

Ekann1

Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 02, 2015, 09:01:17 AM
Above all else, figure out what you want in a group, and communicate with them.

If you want to be able to practice and prep for tournament, tell them that's what you want a group for. And see if they are on board. I'm working on getting my current group to build standard so I have someone to practice against. I even invite them to prerelease events, and find myself giving them commons/uncommons they need for their builds.

If you just want some casual games, build different decks. I know someone else said it, but it's perfect. Use ur group to build crazy off the wall decks. Grab a random card and build a deck around it. Draw a keyword ability out of a hat and build it. I have a couple decks that I built for fun. Like a RGU beast deck with {aether charge}, {cryptic gateway} and mana ramped into playing {godsire} and {nicol bolas, planeswalker}.

Know what you want, talk to them, and be willing to compromise. Maybe they can devote some energy to serious decks and you devote some to jank. Then everyone gets what they want, and has fun with it.
As long as the uncommons/commons are not being given during the event itself, seems good ;)

Spencer Addington

I use black dragon shields for all my decks so I never have to rotate sleeve.

Dsx Cherno

Quote from: E.kann1 on March 02, 2015, 07:46:59 PM

As long as the uncommons/commons are not being given during the event itself, seems good ;)

God no. Only during our mtg group nights. Just to boost them to start building more

Millionlittlee

You could do what I do. Make a deck, then when someone complains make a better deck, and if someone complains make a better deck, repeat until they have no problem with your first deck

Popper23345

Quote from: Millionlittlee on March 04, 2015, 07:15:35 AM
You could do what I do. Make a deck, then when someone complains make a better deck, and if someone complains make a better deck, repeat until they have no problem with your first deck
Strategy..