Dragons of Tarkir (Baseless Speculation and Spoilers)

Started by Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth, November 01, 2014, 09:00:40 PM

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Mattao19

Especially since I play UW Control I have to disagree with you guys Ojutais Command is not that good ... I mean it's 1st 2 abilities are almost completely irrelevant in the deck and I'd rather run Nullify than this sure nullify won't cantrip but at least it grabs a T3 Rabbler on the Draw.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Mattao19 on March 03, 2015, 06:09:44 PM
Especially since I play UW Control I have to disagree with you guys Ojutais Command is not that good ... I mean it's 1st 2 abilities are almost completely irrelevant in the deck and I'd rather run Nullify than this sure nullify won't cantrip but at least it grabs a T3 Rabbler on the Draw.
As a fellow control player, I think its worth it at least as a two of, but I agree that {Nullify} is probably better in the deck. That said, I was running {Fall of the Gavel} during RTR-THS so I have a thing for overcosted value...

Mattao19

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on March 03, 2015, 06:12:42 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on March 03, 2015, 06:09:44 PM
Especially since I play UW Control I have to disagree with you guys Ojutais Command is not that good ... I mean it's 1st 2 abilities are almost completely irrelevant in the deck and I'd rather run Nullify than this sure nullify won't cantrip but at least it grabs a T3 Rabbler on the Draw.
As a fellow control player, I think its worth it at least as a two of, but I agree that {Nullify} is probably better in the deck. That said, I was running {Fall of the Gavel} during RTR-THS so I have a thing for overcosted value...

Ew lol :P idk I hope I'm wrong bc it looks like a cool card but I just prefer nullify

Hunteroffire9

I think command will see decent play in U/Wx control decks. Vs Abzan midrange decks, it counters and gives you needed card advantage, vs R/Wx decks it counters a stoke, and gains you another 4 for stoke which is very relevant. If a tempo deck comes to power this will be a great card, counter your seige rhino, bring back my seeker is decent if a deck like that arises.  Oh, and great card to bridge to end hostilities. Also could relevantly bring back murk lurkers or arashin clarics

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on March 03, 2015, 10:08:02 PM
I think command will see decent play in U/Wx control decks. Vs Abzan midrange decks, it counters and gives you needed card advantage, vs R/Wx decks it counters a stoke, and gains you another 4 for stoke which is very relevant. If a tempo deck comes to power this will be a great card, counter your seige rhino, bring back my seeker is decent if a deck like that arises.  Oh, and great card to bridge to end hostilities. Also could relevantly bring back murk lurkers or arashin clarics

It doesn't counter {Stoke the Flames}. It gains 4 life though. Creature spells only.

Destore117

So thoughts on how this set will play out so far?
Fate was loads of fun to play.

MacheteMable

Every single ability is situational except the draw. That's not really where you want to be in a control deck. No one really plays essence scatter as is for a reason. I really wish it had a bigger effect on the board.

If you're in the late game and are able to bring back a creature like the grand ,aster why are you not playing Elspeth or Ugin those turns instead?

VQMracing

What do you guys think of buying into sidisi at 4.50 each?


MarduArrow

Well, Kolaghan isn't worth putting in my kaalia deck, was really hoping for a dragonlord I could use

Kaylesh

Dragonlord Kolaghan
4BR
Legendary Creature - Elder Dragon
Flying, haste

Other creatures you control have haste.

Whenever an opponent casts a creature or planeswalker spell with the same name as a card in his or her graveyard, that player loses 10 life.

Well, the haste to all creatures could come from a cheaper source, and it's second ability is totally useless in EDH. It will severely limit options for some standard decks though. Think delver.

Or wait, delver would exile before casting right?

particle

Quote from: Kaylesh on March 04, 2015, 03:54:51 AM
Dragonlord Kolaghan
4BR
Legendary Creature - Elder Dragon
Flying, haste

Other creatures you control have haste.

Whenever an opponent casts a creature or planeswalker spell with the same name as a card in his or her graveyard, that player loses 10 life.

Well, the haste to all creatures could come from a cheaper source, and it's second ability is totally useless in EDH. It will severely limit options for some standard decks though. Think delver.

Or wait, delver would exile before casting right?

Huh? You mean delve not delver right? {delver of secrets} is not in standard... But I do think the last ability will be funny in standard. Many decks run tons of 4 ofs so that might change.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Kaylesh on March 04, 2015, 03:54:51 AM
Or wait, delver would exile before casting right?
Technically you announce that you are casting before you pay for a spell (including Delve, source: http://magiccards.info/rule/601-casting-spells.html ), but I think this will come down to whether or not the ability checks again during resolution and when the ability triggers in the sequencing. TL;DR: we will have to wait for the FAQ

Munchlax

Quote from: MarduArrow on March 04, 2015, 02:18:58 AM
Well, Kolaghan isn't worth putting in my kaalia deck, was really hoping for a dragonlord I could use
Well against relentless rats or Shadowborn apostle it's good

The1337Magician

Quote from: Noblellama on March 04, 2015, 07:57:57 AM
Be happy edh players, that second ability ensures you get this baby girl cheap for your edh decks :)
Why should I be happy. I would much rather run {Fervor} or it's Dragons, Dragon Tempest. 6 mana to give everything haste? No
Thanks. Since Kolaghan is kinda being pushed by Wizards in all the promo art, I'm a little upset with their choice.