The Problem with Modern

[cltrn81]

I play Magic to have fun and social interaction.  When I play against an unfair deck I get cheated on both counts.  I don't want to sit down across from somebody and watch them play their deck and be so wrapped up in winning and storm counts, etc. that they cannot carry on a conversation.

There is a time and place for that type of magic.  This is discussing truly competitive magic.  Your statement compares apples to oranges my friend.

[Dmreiss]

I play Magic to have fun and social interaction.  When I play against an unfair deck I get cheated on both counts.  I don't want to sit down across from somebody and watch them play their deck and be so wrapped up in winning and storm counts, etc. that they cannot carry on a conversation.

There is a time and place for that type of magic.  This is discussing truly competitive magic.  Your statement compares apples to oranges my friend.

I see your point, but Magic is supposed to be FUN.  Why do you play competitive Magic?  Because it is fun. If you are just grinding for points or packs or whatever you are missing half of the experience. I play at my LGS because I have made friends there and we help with each other's decks. We want to win; whether we play each other or someone else. Unfair decks are not always conducive to growing the community.

[the_intelligentleman]

http://www.channelfireball.com/home/leave-modern-alone/

I strongly disagree with most of what was said. Blue decks, (except for twin,) have pretty much faded out of modern currently. Abzan is crushing most other decks like a steam roller, and Twin is now a large part of the meta. This modern format currently is anything but "healthy," and something needs to change.

[Distriimuir]

I play Magic to have fun and social interaction.  When I play against an unfair deck I get cheated on both counts.  I don't want to sit down across from somebody and watch them play their deck and be so wrapped up in winning and storm counts, etc. that they cannot carry on a conversation.

There is a time and place for that type of magic.  This is discussing truly competitive magic.  Your statement compares apples to oranges my friend.

I see your point, but Magic is supposed to be FUN.  Why do you play competitive Magic?  Because it is fun. If you are just grinding for points or packs or whatever you are missing half of the experience. I play at my LGS because I have made friends there and we help with each other's decks. We want to win; whether we play each other or someone else. Unfair decks are not always conducive to growing the community.

Some of these are 50,000$ competitions or more sometimes.

[Dmreiss]

I play Magic to have fun and social interaction.  When I play against an unfair deck I get cheated on both counts.  I don't want to sit down across from somebody and watch them play their deck and be so wrapped up in winning and storm counts, etc. that they cannot carry on a conversation.

There is a time and place for that type of magic.  This is discussing truly competitive magic.  Your statement compares apples to oranges my friend.

I see your point, but Magic is supposed to be FUN.  Why do you play competitive Magic?  Because it is fun. If you are just grinding for points or packs or whatever you are missing half of the experience. I play at my LGS because I have made friends there and we help with each other's decks. We want to win; whether we play each other or someone else. Unfair decks are not always conducive to growing the community.

Some of these are 50,000$ competitions or more sometimes.

Some competitions are very competitive with big cash prizes.  The overwhelming majority of modern is not.  Are we saying what is good for some is good for all?  In order for there to be big competitions you need a larger player base; will that grow and develop if people do not see it as a "fair" competition?

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I play Magic to have fun and social interaction.  When I play against an unfair deck I get cheated on both counts.  I don't want to sit down across from somebody and watch them play their deck and be so wrapped up in winning and storm counts, etc. that they cannot carry on a conversation.

There is a time and place for that type of magic.  This is discussing truly competitive magic.  Your statement compares apples to oranges my friend.

I see your point, but Magic is supposed to be FUN.  Why do you play competitive Magic?  Because it is fun. If you are just grinding for points or packs or whatever you are missing half of the experience. I play at my LGS because I have made friends there and we help with each other's decks. We want to win; whether we play each other or someone else. Unfair decks are not always conducive to growing the community.

Some of these are 50,000$ competitions or more sometimes.

Some competitions are very competitive with big cash prizes.  The overwhelming majority of modern is not.  Are we saying what is good for some is good for all?  In order for there to be big competitions you need a larger player base; will that grow and develop if people do not see it as a "fair" competition?

Its also important to note that the lack of "fair" decks is something that bothers people at all levels, as evident by Ari Lax's and PV's articles. The fix here is probably a complex one but giving control decks tools like {Ancestral Vision}, {Complicate}, and {Prohibit} could go a long way.

[Rass]

Or make people cry about that.

[Dsx Cherno]

There is no way to make everyone happy. Keep the control bans, blue controllers will be mad. Unban them, the shock decks will be mad. No matter what, someone is gonna be mad

[Mattao19]

Especially control players, massive whiners

Ya bc this makes sense ...

[the_intelligentleman]

Especially control players, massive whiners

Sir, as a control player, this is actually kind of offensive. And you really done nothing but make these type of comments this entire thread, and haven't really proven a point.

[DimirOverlord1300]

Especially control players, massive whiners

Sir, as a control player, this is actually kind of offensive. And you really done nothing but make these type of comments this entire thread, and haven't really proven a point.

Delver isn't control...

[the_intelligentleman]

Especially control players, massive whiners

Sir, as a control player, this is actually kind of offensive. And you really done nothing but make these type of comments this entire thread, and haven't really proven a point.

Delver isn't control...

Delver is the only non-control deck I've ever played friend.

[DimirOverlord1300]

Especially control players, massive whiners

Sir, as a control player, this is actually kind of offensive. And you really done nothing but make these type of comments this entire thread, and haven't really proven a point.

Delver isn't control...

Delver is the only non-control deck I've ever played friend.

Alright fair enough

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Especially control players, massive whiners

Sir, as a control player, this is actually kind of offensive. And you really done nothing but make these type of comments this entire thread, and haven't really proven a point.

If you truly find this offensive you need to get out more. I have disagreed with the main poster and represent the side that disagrees with your argument in general. I have made valid points and not been swept up on silly pro adulation.

Maybe you should give some of those points rather than just insulting people, like I have suggested from your first post.

[Mattao19]

Just watched Channel Fireball and their thoughts on modern and well I agree with them on this ...

Ban Fetches! Mana in Modern is too easy and shuffling takes so effing long (seriously though)

Also unban cards that go into fairish deck JtMS helps the control decks and BBE helps the Jund ones