The Problem with Modern

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

An interesting article from Paulo Vitor Damo De Rosa about how modern is basically just one fair deck that is absurdly powerful and unfair decks, which leads to the power of the sideboard, high variance, and an overall bad format. I actually tend to agree with him:
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-problem-with-modern/

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I think it's nonsense really and 20 card sideboard? That's the most daft idea so far. He even admitted being biased about modern from the start and his unbannings are equally as silly. Bad article from my point of view.

Thank you for offering absolutely no constructive material whatsoever.

[Dsx Cherno]

I always felt the true mark of a great deck was being versatile enough to win against multiple styles of opponents without a sideboard

[Cender]

An interesting article from Paulo Vitor Damo De Rosa about how modern is basically just one fair deck that is absurdly powerful and unfair decks, which leads to the power of the sideboard, high variance, and an overall bad format. I actually tend to agree with him:
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-problem-with-modern/

My biggest issue is that 20 cards can lead to unfair decks siding into a completely different deck for game 2

[Dsx Cherno]

 My biggest issue is that 20 cards can lead to unfair decks siding into a completely different deck for game 2
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20 cards is easily enough to swap an entire color

[Popper23345]

My biggest issue is that 20 cards can lead to unfair decks siding into a completely different deck for game 2

20 cards is easily enough to swap an entire color
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^this

If you really would need 20 cards in your sideboard, then that should be saying something about your deck...

[Dsx Cherno]

Every game format is fundamentally broken. The easiest piece of proof is the lists of "must have" cards. Standard, modern, legacy, it's all the same crap. Commander is the worst of all. They are all broken. But that's because the cards are good enough to break. I say unban everything and let the chips fall where they will

[Rass]

Every game format is fundamentally broken. The easiest piece of proof is the lists of "must have" cards. Standard, modern, legacy, it's all the same crap. Commander is the worst of all. They are all broken. But that's because the cards are good enough to break. I say unban everything and let the chips fall where they will

I have to disagree a little. I think all cards can be broken. I agree with you on the unban but I would say either restrict them or don't allow them with tHeir combo parts. Example.  Melira can't be played with creatures that have persist

[imthelolrus]

The article seems to contain a significant amount of bias. A 20 card sideboard will never happen, he knows that right? We still have a limited sample as far as modern stands post banning..

idk as an affinity player I just anticipate a lot of hate, and if someone wants to keep a 6 land hand and 1 stony fine by me. Modern is a format I play to have fun... He seems more focused on winning (which makes sense since he is a pro).

[Dsx Cherno]

Then no combos should be played. It's unfair to decide that some combos are good and some aren't. All my friends felt that me using 2 {sterling grove} was unfair but didn't care that I played {draco} and {dralnu's pet} until I discovered the combo. Someone discovers that a couple cards go together, and we bemoan the broken combo. We either have to let all combos be, or ban them all

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I always felt the true mark of a great deck was being versatile enough to win against multiple styles of opponents without a sideboard

Which is just impossible in this format which includes turn 1 and 2 wins and non-interactive decks.

An interesting article from Paulo Vitor Damo De Rosa about how modern is basically just one fair deck that is absurdly powerful and unfair decks, which leads to the power of the sideboard, high variance, and an overall bad format. I actually tend to agree with him:
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-problem-with-modern/

My biggest issue is that 20 cards can lead to unfair decks siding into a completely different deck for game 2

It was already happening in the 15 card system, Jeskai Ascendency decks were sideboarding into Gifts decks. It honestly is fair because for every combo decks sideboarding into something else, you have a fair deck that can pack more silver bullets against it.

I think it's nonsense really and 20 card sideboard? That's the most daft idea so far. He even admitted being biased about modern from the start and his unbannings are equally as silly. Bad article from my point of view.

Thank you for offering absolutely no constructive material whatsoever.

Unlike yourself which you just said you agreed with the article. Please grow up. I already said 20 card sideboard is silly and the nature of modern will always result in bannings/unbannings. You don't like criticism don't post.

Sorry, I'm sure the Pro Tour winner knows nothing about this game, and I should have taken your opinion, the random person on the internet, into higher esteem. His ideas for unbans for actually quite popular (and have been) around various communities and he makes a lot of good points, even if his 20 card sideboard idea is a little out there. But of course, your comment of 'this is stupid' with no explanations is more important than the thought out and well reasoned ideas of a professional Magic player, so we might as well just read your comment.

Every game format is fundamentally broken. The easiest piece of proof is the lists of "must have" cards. Standard, modern, legacy, it's all the same crap. Commander is the worst of all. They are all broken. But that's because the cards are good enough to break. I say unban everything and let the chips fall where they will

No, this is just a horrible idea. Even the most liberal anti-banlisters don't want stuff like {Skullclamp} in the format.

The article seems to contain a significant amount of bias. A 20 card sideboard will never happen, he knows that right? We still have a limited sample as far as modern stands post banning..

idk as an affinity player I just anticipate a lot of hate, and if someone wants to keep a 6 land hand and 1 stony fine by me. Modern is a format I play to have fun... He seems more focused on winning (which makes sense since he is a pro).

He does have a lot of bias, and the 20 cards is a little out there, but I think the overarching idea that games shouldn't be so heavily based on variance and should be more based on skill is completely correct. There are too many linear decks that die to silver bullets and not enough fair decks.

Then no combos should be played. It's unfair to decide that some combos are good and some aren't. All my friends felt that me using 2 {sterling grove} was unfair but didn't care that I played {draco} and {dralnu's pet} until I discovered the combo. Someone discovers that a couple cards go together, and we bemoan the broken combo. We either have to let all combos be, or ban them all

It's pretty clear at this point that you don't play modern. What we are talking about here isn't getting rid of combo, we are talking about shaping the format such that we have more "fair decks" so that games aren't so heavily decided upon the variance involved with silver bullets in our sideboards.

The article seems to contain a significant amount of bias. A 20 card sideboard will never happen, he knows that right? We still have a limited sample as far as modern stands post banning..

idk as an affinity player I just anticipate a lot of hate, and if someone wants to keep a 6 land hand and 1 stony fine by me. Modern is a format I play to have fun... He seems more focused on winning (which makes sense since he is a pro).

Probably hates losing as well, I still think modern is quite diverse. Adjusting to meta and rogue decks (which I love) is all part of the game.

Adjusting to the meta is certainly a part of the game, and no one is arguing against it, what is being argued for is a format in which players can justify playing fair decks that don't lose to silver bullets, thus leading to a more interesting format.

[Dsx Cherno]

I love skullclamp

[Teysa karlov]

That article was great. I like the idea of 20 card sideboard. And his unbanning ideas should be tested before we dismiss them.

I like playing the fair decks in modern. We need more of them so modern is a more skill based format that luck of the draw.

[Cender]

That article was great. I like the idea of 20 card sideboard. And his unbanning ideas should be tested before we dismiss them.

I like playing the fair decks in modern. We need more of them so modern is a more skill based format that luck of the draw.

I'd argue that a lot of the unfair decks are skill testers just as much as the fair ones, but I agreed on the good draw comment.

[cltrn81]

I think this will always be a problem in eternal formats.  Occasionally it happens in standard.  The point I am getting at is it is hard to comprehend how combinations of 60 cards will interact with one another compared to other 60 card combinations and so on.