Reserved list

[Rass]

Because you said you would use both. But what would give you the best chance to win? Having the duals or not?

Hope my tone doesn't sound rude I'm not trying to be that guy. If so my bad.

[griffin131]

Because you said you would use both. But what would give you the best chance to win? Having the duals or not?

Hope my tone doesn't sound rude I'm not trying to be that guy. If so my bad.

There's no way to answer that. Combo decks don't care about life totals, for example.

[Rass]

Because you said you would use both. But what would give you the best chance to win? Having the duals or not?

Hope my tone doesn't sound rude I'm not trying to be that guy. If so my bad.

There's no way to answer that. Combo decks don't care about life totals, for example.

How can you not answer it. It's a simple question. You have a deck you build. You are using multi color . You have access to all lands. Do you put in shocks or duals.

[cltrn81]

I have said from the start.....before asked this question.....that I would run a single ABUR dual to fetch so I don't {lightning bolt} myself and I would run the rest a mix of shock/check lands.

If I was forced to chose then I would chose shock/check lands because I don't have a desire to play competitive legacy enough.  But that is me

[griffin131]

How can you not answer it. It's a simple question. You have a deck you build. You are using multi color . You have access to all lands. Do you put in shocks or duals.

If it's combo it's irrelevant which ones I use.
If it's not, I'd run 1 or 2 duals and then the rest don't matter.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

How can you not answer it. It's a simple question. You have a deck you build. You are using multi color . You have access to all lands. Do you put in shocks or duals.

If it's combo it's irrelevant which ones I use.
If it's not, I'd run 1 or 2 duals and then the rest don't matter.

No, life always matter, and the 2 life, while marginal, always counts for something. The only deck you would want to play shocklands in is the {Death's Shadow} deck.

[Falcon182]

How can you not answer it. It's a simple question. You have a deck you build. You are using multi color . You have access to all lands. Do you put in shocks or duals.

If it's combo it's irrelevant which ones I use.
If it's not, I'd run 1 or 2 duals and then the rest don't matter.

No, life always matter, and the 2 life, while marginal, always counts for something. The only deck you would want to play shocklands in is the {Death's Shadow} deck.

What you're overlooking is that you're not often going to need to pay 2 life for it to come in untapped. Just let it come in tapped and 90% of the time it'll be the same.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

How can you not answer it. It's a simple question. You have a deck you build. You are using multi color . You have access to all lands. Do you put in shocks or duals.

If it's combo it's irrelevant which ones I use.
If it's not, I'd run 1 or 2 duals and then the rest don't matter.

No, life always matter, and the 2 life, while marginal, always counts for something. The only deck you would want to play shocklands in is the {Death's Shadow} deck.

What you're overlooking is that you're not often going to need to pay 2 life for it to come in untapped. Just let it come in tapped and 90% of the time it'll be the same.

No arguments on that front, just saying, that with the exception of very corner case decks ({Death's Shadow}), ABUR dual are strictly better.

[Dstyle1]

From my interpretation about this is we are really only discussing the reprint of dual lands?

Legacys power comes from turn one. ( reason {mental misstep} is banned.) if I'm a combo deck I'm playing U and a {underground sea} can cast me brainstorm while also threatening daze to turn one for only 1 life loss.

The duals power is in the turn one. So I can see Cltrns discussion on running 1 dual for that turn one play and whatever after that.

Me I have cards for playing I don't care what they cost in the past or in the future. Because I'm never going to sell them, so it doesn't matter.

But up until 2 years ago I was just playing a bad stack of white cards ( DnT)

[Rass]

I have said from the start.....before asked this question.....that I would run a single ABUR dual to fetch so I don't {lightning bolt} myself and I would run the rest a mix of shock/check lands.

If I was forced to chose then I would chose shock/check lands because I don't have a desire to play competitive legacy enough.  But that is me

Really? In a money match or a match where you must win your gonna run those. I call bs on that if you had the choice you would run all the best cards you have.

[MuggyWuggy]

But if you don't have those cards, would you just rather quit than try?

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

My example: i have a jeskai miracles deck but zero dual lands. I run hallowed fountains and steam vents insteas. It isnt ideal but i really want to play legacy and that is therefore my best option. I do plan on eventually getting the dual lands, one at a time. But until then i dont feel like im at a great disadvantage. Of course i am at a disadvantage, but it doesnt automatically mean my opponent is automatically at 70 or 80 % better chance. Even using previous examples, if i play against an exact mirror (both deck and player) except their deck uses dual lands, its really not that bad. The difference would be magnified against anyone playing really fast aggro or burn, but thats the risk i take. Im not just going to stop playing because i dont have the best cards. I will work towards getting them.

[ihasfrozen]

As a matter of full disclosure: most of the cards that I own are on the reserved list.

This topic is always a can of worms, but I'll throw my 2 cents in anyway.

The reserved list was an unfortunate mistake by WotC. While it did help keep the game alive post-chronicles, it has led to the astronomical prices of eternal cards that we see today, and their continued rise farther and farther out of reach for many players. While I understand the argument that people want to have more access to these cards (not even necessarily monetarily speaking, try finding a full set of power at your lgs at any price), it is easy to see why wotc would not abolish the list: it would harm players.

This is what I think the issue boils down to, as no one is hurt by the reserved list existing. Dissolving the reserved list would potentially result in the depreciation of players existing collections to the degree that it could potentially harm them financially.

Many of these players aren't enormously wealthy, and whether you deem their decision to over-leverage themselves in cardboard to be wise (maybe they view the reserved list as an insurance policy of sorts that they can always get a vast majority of their money back should real-life needs demand it), that does not change the fact that simply maintaining the status quo would not hurt them, and continue to not hurt anyone else.

This is why WotC has no reason to do away with the list: the current situation is hurting no one, and the game remains as popular as ever.


As for the discussion on shocks vs. duals, you are always putting yourself at a disadvantage by not running duals (unless you're playing {Death's Shadow} or {Scapeshift} ). There may be decks that don't always want a dual immediately untapped all of the time, but the fact that they would want it some of the time means that you are putting yourself at a disadvantage by not just running the duals. There is no situation where a dual land is worse than a shock land, but there are situations where a shock is worse than a dual. If you had equal ease of access to duals and shocks this wouldn't even be an argument.

If the option is shocks vs. something worse (like not playing legacy), then you take the hit and play shocks.