Reserved list

[Falcon182]

Just buy CE gold border cards for EDH and alter them. No one looks at the backs of your cards unless you have clear sleeves

That is what I have done in the past but I tell people they are proxies.  I just sharpie the boarder black.  I am running an {academy rector} that way in my EDH deck until I can get a legit one.

CE stuff is pretty expensive now too. Same with international edition. A guy at my LGS had a full set of international edition that he was going to trade in. IE  {Black Lotus} is worth several hundred dollars and is NOT tournament legal. Nuts.

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

I dont have any dual lands or power 9 or anything like that. But i dont consider it unfair. I just wasnt playing or collecting while those cards are easily accessible. It is unfortunate for me, but it is what it is. While i would like to see a reprint i dont expect it to ever happen and i am fine with that. I still plan on seriously getting into legacy, it will just take me longer.

I made a post on the other thread that may have come across as a bit brazen, (and i certainly wasnt targeting you taysby, you just happened to be the last one to post about what i was ranting about). But i still stand by my comments. Enjoy the game for what it is. Be thankful you ever had a chance to own cards that were worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. But if they arent all of a sudden because wizards wants to run their business a certain way then, in my opinion, you should just suck it up. If its a profit you want there have  been and will be  plenty of opportunities to cash in.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Funny how the guy who doesn't really have anything expensive on the reserved list wants it to go away, and the people who have stuff want to keep it.

Funny how you don't what cards I own

[griffin131]

I'm not going to commit to spending 300 on a volcanic island if it'll just be reprinted and have a value plummet.

Lots of people don't even play legacy/vintage when it's affordable. (See mtgo)

Don't throw a hissy fit if something isn't immediately in your budget that isn't actually played that much.

I bought my duals on the expectation that if I need the money I can sell them and get my money back. It wasn't an investment, I just expect to not lose $1000+ overnight.

It's not an investment, I just don't want to lose the money I spent.
Which means it's exactly an investment.

[Thetrufflehunter]

What if they just reprinted the reserved list with God-awful art? It takes down the price of the old ones, but they will still retain value because legacy players like to make their deck fancy.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

What if they just reprinted the reserved list with God-awful art? It takes down the price of the old ones, but they will still retain value because legacy players like to make their deck fancy.

Not to mention the old cards will still be worth exorbitant amounts of money due to collectability and nostalgia.

[MuggyWuggy]

Literally MS Paint quality underground sea with Orange borders to inform the tournament organizer that you get the lower tier prize due to having crutch cards.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Literally MS Paint quality underground sea with Orange borders to inform the tournament organizer that you get the lower tier prize due to having crutch cards.

So what you are saying is that you think legacy and vintage success should be based on how much you spend. Glad we cleared that up.

[MuggyWuggy]

If its legacy picks, you should be able to pick from the ABUR pool if you have ABUR, otherwise pick from the Orange border pool of the exact same cards if card value and rarity  isn't a thing for you. If I put together an original legacy deck, I don't wanna pay $30 for a tournament where the best thing I can win is a reprint worth $20. I'd rather get a card valued at $250+, and if someone else can just essentially proxy a legal deck, well give them a proxy legal print for the prize.

It just seems like wizards has given the people who want reprints alternatives that work very well, shocks are $10 each, why can't you just suck it up and pay 2 life so you don't have to pay $300 for a UG sea?

So I don't have 3 tarmogoyfs, I only have one, ill try a hooting mandril just so I can play, I won't cry about how I can't afford to get into the format. That's what just seems to be the issue is people complain about cards that aren't easy to obtain, but were playing a collectible card game, which means it has intent to be valuable since its inception.

It's withstood many other card games and is probably being analyzed of how to market it in other forms of media. It's not going to lose value unless the world crashes itself or unless wizards/Hasbro destroys their own game thru laziness.

[blackychan1]

Literally MS Paint quality underground sea with Orange borders to inform the tournament organizer that you get the lower tier prize due to having crutch cards.

So what you are saying is that you think legacy and vintage success should be based on how much you spend. Glad we cleared that up.

But wasn't Modern made so that there could be an accessible "Legacy" for people that didn't want to pay for the real thing? I can't expect a  Lamborghini at the price of a Pontiac. If you want the real thing, work towards getting it (pack 2 power, trading up, buying the cards). Until you get there, play the shocks (which were meant to be dual lands for people that didn't want to pay for dual lands). Drive the Pontiac until you can afford the Lamborghini.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

But wasn't Modern made so that there could be an accessible "Legacy" for people that didn't want to pay for the real thing? I can't expect a  Lamborghini at the price of a Pontiac. If you want the real thing, work towards getting it (pack 2 power, trading up, buying the cards). Until you get there, play the shocks (which were meant to be dual lands for people that didn't want to pay for dual lands). Drive the Pontiac until you can afford the Lamborghini.

I agree completely with this. I'm currently (and very slowly might I add) assembling Legacy Elves. I have some pretty expensive pieces and I know that if I want to build it in its entirety it's going to take quite a lot more time, or at least a lot more money. Magic: the Gathering, especially Legacy, is not a poor mans hobby. If you haven't realized that at this point then you're playing the wrong game. If you want an affordable Eternal format play Modern.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

But in the end this a game, and anyone who wants to play it should be able to. Even Richard Garfield said no card should cost over $20.

[MuggyWuggy]

That's why he doesn't own it anymore

[InfinitiveDivinity]

But in the end this a game, and anyone who wants to play it should be able to. Even Richard Garfield said no card should cost over $20.

If you want to play Legacy and can't afford it, proxy your cards and play with friends. If you want to play at high stakes tournaments with big money and prizes on the line, pay up. I don't see how that's so hard to understand.

[rarehuntertay]

It is a Collectible Card game. Emphasis on Collectible. I like the idea of the Reserved List for the older cards, even though it was a mistake, because it maintains the collectibility of the game. No cards will be put on the Reserve List now, but every card from I think Mercadian Masques is eligible for a reprint. One of the main reasons, IMO, that Magic has not gone the way of yugimonz is because we are not massively reprinting every single card into lower and lower rarities. Wizards is doing a good job with the reprints.
On another note: Even if they did reprint duals and other "reserved" cards in a special set that wasn't Vintage legal, they still would not be legal for EDH, as "commander is played with vintage legal cards". (Mtgcommander.net)