Question of logic

[Piotr]

With all due respect, the name calling is happening on both sides.

Show me.

[the_intelligentleman]

With all due respect, the name calling is happening on both sides.

Show me.

You guys are just a bunch of uneducated liberals that don't know how the police force works and don't look past ridiculous arguments like "racism!  A white shot a black"

lol look at that Piotr, Taysby is most defiantly not above name calling.

[NovusOrbis]

With all due respect, the name calling is happening on both sides.

Show me.

You guys are just a bunch of uneducated liberals that don't know how the police force works and don't look past ridiculous arguments like "racism!  A white shot a black"

Stop making that dumbass comparison- you
So because of white privelage black teen should be shot, makes sense- Argus
And you are a f-cking idiot for still denying the facts- Argus
Blame the victim, the Taysby way to react to things- Muggy
Tays, shut the hell up you little kid- Infektor
... Some of us are much older and even the younger ones are wiser than you tays. I get it, you're 18 and knows how everything works, but sadly you don't. Wait until your twenties- Infektor
I don't know how to react to this. You're jaded.- you

Taysby lashes out once and you all pounce on him. It's not just these threads either. Nearly every thread that involves some form of debate is Argus or Muggs or someone else just attacking his view. In the first Fergeson thread, Argus even called my argument irrelevant because I used the correct legal terma for 'intent' and 'he did the crime'.

I'm not doing this for Taysby, or even myself, I'm doing this for integrity.

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

With all due respect, the name calling is happening on both sides.

Show me.

You guys are just a bunch of uneducated liberals that don't know how the police force works and don't look past ridiculous arguments like "racism!  A white shot a black"

Stop making that dumbass comparison- you
So because of white privelage black teen should be shot, makes sense- Argus
And you are a f-cking idiot for still denying the facts- Argus
Blame the victim, the Taysby way to react to things- Muggy
Tays, shut the hell up you little kid- Infektor
... Some of us are much older and even the younger ones are wiser than you tays. I get it, you're 18 and knows how everything works, but sadly you don't. Wait until your twenties- Infektor
I don't know how to react to this. You're jaded.- you

Taysby lashes out once and you all pounce on him. It's not just these threads either. Nearly every thread that involves some form of debate is Argus or Muggs or someone else just attacking his view. In the first Fergeson thread, Argus even called my argument irrelevant because I used the correct legal terma for 'intent' and 'he did the crime'.

I'm not doing this for Taysby, or even myself, I'm doing this for integrity.

Okay, for once in my life I am actually pissed off. Integrity? INTEGRITY? Calling Agrus a dumbass for, Y'know, USING FACTS? Having a logical argument? You're the only .rearexit. here. If you're going to argue, use facts. Don't say somebody's wrong because of an uninformed opinion. He may be 18. He is still clearly better at arguing than anyone on this forum. He keeps a cool head and actually has responses. You and taysbe lash out at every chance and call him a dumbass without proving your point. If you continue to act this way, just get the hell out.

[Cender]

I'm not debating that myself or anyone else hasn't name-called. Just pointing out that it really is both sides.

To Taysby's credit, he is the only one that apologized.

Agreed, and thank you for backing up my point.

[Piotr]

You're the only .rearexit. here.

10 days ban.

[Piotr]

I'm not debating that myself or anyone else hasn't name-called. Just pointing out that it really is both sides.

To Taysby's credit, he is the only one that apologized.

Agreed, and thank you for backing up my point.

Your point is moot. What Mikefrompluto cited was Taysby's response to personal attacks he was a target of. He is perfectly entitled to this sort of response under iMtG Law. If you hurt someone with words, expect to be punished back with words. Logical enough for you?

[NovusOrbis]

With all due respect, the name calling is happening on both sides.

Show me.

You guys are just a bunch of uneducated liberals that don't know how the police force works and don't look past ridiculous arguments like "racism!  A white shot a black"

Stop making that dumbass comparison- you
So because of white privelage black teen should be shot, makes sense- Argus
And you are a f-cking idiot for still denying the facts- Argus
Blame the victim, the Taysby way to react to things- Muggy
Tays, shut the hell up you little kid- Infektor
... Some of us are much older and even the younger ones are wiser than you tays. I get it, you're 18 and knows how everything works, but sadly you don't. Wait until your twenties- Infektor
I don't know how to react to this. You're jaded.- you

Taysby lashes out once and you all pounce on him. It's not just these threads either. Nearly every thread that involves some form of debate is Argus or Muggs or someone else just attacking his view. In the first Fergeson thread, Argus even called my argument irrelevant because I used the correct legal terma for 'intent' and 'he did the crime'.

I'm not doing this for Taysby, or even myself, I'm doing this for integrity.

Okay, for once in my life I am actually pissed off. Integrity? INTEGRITY? Calling Agrus a dumbass for, Y'know, USING FACTS? Having a logical argument? You're the only .rearexit. here. If you're going to argue, use facts. Don't say somebody's wrong because of an uninformed opinion. He may be 18. He is still clearly better at arguing than anyone on this forum. He keeps a cool head and actually has responses. You and taysbe lash out at every chance and call him a dumbass without proving your point. If you continue to act this way, just get the hell out.

So I point out how people have been name calling and attacking Taysby and say it should stop, and you call me an ass for it? Whatever you want to do man. I didn't call argus a dumbass and never have since I've been on imtg. When did I try to argue against him about the cop needing punishment? When did I not use facts? How does calling someone an idiot keeping your cool? Show me when I have called him a dumbass and I'll leave this forum for good.

If this was all for that last bit, those were all things that those people said to Taysby, not things I said about them.

[the_intelligentleman]

In my opinion, the thread has now spiraled into personal debates and accusations. The topic that we started on no longer exists, and therefore I would suggest the thread be locked and removed before we lose any members of the community, or someone does something rash.

[Cender]

I'm not debating that myself or anyone else hasn't name-called. Just pointing out that it really is both sides.

To Taysby's credit, he is the only one that apologized.

Agreed, and thank you for backing up my point.

Your point is moot. What Mikefrompluto cited was Taysby's response to personal attacks he was a target of. He is perfectly entitled to this sort of response under iMtG Law. If you hurt someone with words, expect to be punished back with words. Logical enough for you?

You act as if I'm somehow attacking you or your ideals. If you feel that way, I apologize. You merely stated that the only name calling was being done by one side and I refuted that position.

I'm simply pointing out that the only way to have any constructive discourse is to argue the merits of the case, and sometimes that means ignoring mudslinging that comes your way. The real tragedy here is that there are clearly people who truly want to have a discussion on the topic, and that's completely being overshadowed by poor sportsmanship.

[the_intelligentleman]

You're the only .rearexit. here.

10 days ban.

Also, Piotr I'm just going to assume you are joking.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

This is my actual quote, I never called anyone specifically an idiot. Novus is right when he says we need to de-escalate the situation though.

At this point its a case of fool me once, shame on you. Fool me tens of thousands of times, and you are a .loving. idiot for still denying the facts.

[Rass]

We provide facts to back ourselves up but you guys ignore them, and don't even read what we write (it seems like)

This is the main problem here. There are no "facts". You post something from bill orally. Then someone post from Keith olbermann.

Each side has their interpretation of what the laws mean, and can cite stuff to help their argument. With all the gray area in this we can argue for thousands of more pages with no outcome. It becomes a point where I question if we are all insane.

But that's just how I see it. And I could be right or wrong. So have a good day.

[MuggyWuggy]

I think Rass said it best.

This discussion isn't going to sway any opinions. Some of us see Eric Garner's death as a tragedy as a result of oppression against the lower class by authority. Basic human rights aren't present in a first world country. Among those, some feel the authority needs to discipline it's ranks properly rather let them go easily unpunished as we constantly have seen lately & to cease inappropriate brutality on the every day human being.

Others believe a man who led a life as he did led himself into the situation and as unfortunate as his death is, it was not intentional by the officer in question. Therefore the officer shouldn't be responsible for any wrong doing. Even though his approach to the situation, was completely inappropriate. He should get in trouble, but he doesn't deserve a charge a normal citizen would get. Such as manslaughter. As he was just doing his job.

The media presented is biased either way as it supports an opinion. I'm not going to change my opinion, but using the basic logic in the OP.

I would say the man doing the chokehold is doing wrong and harm. The man selling untaxed cigarettes never asked to be taxed in the first place. I'm psure I've read on this forum  "under imtg law, taxes are illegal"

[Rass]

For the "facts" in question, I was referring to the video.  Such as he wouldn't let them arrest him.  That's a fact.  Also, when I do post something from bill o'reilly or glen beck I do not post it for the opinion section.  I post it for the facts like There were x incidents of y last year.  There is no disputing things like that. (assuming it wasn't just pulled out of someone's .rearexit..)

Not everything is an attack at you. I just used your last post as an example. I'm sure I can pull up a video where another person was resisting arrest and they didn't choke him. I'm just saying most things people say are "facts" can be spun.