Question of logic

Started by MuggyWuggy, December 04, 2014, 11:04:09 AM

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Quote from: Wingnut on December 11, 2014, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Infektor on December 11, 2014, 07:48:27 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on December 11, 2014, 07:16:12 PM
And I just want to clarify here for a minute, this cop did not murder this man, the cop did something stupid that caused him to die. The same as someone dying from an accident with alcohol involved, or texting and running someone over, murder required the intent to end life. I'm 99.999999999999999% sure the cop NEVER intended for the guy to die. That being said, if someone dies because your texting or driving drunk, there are repercussions, as there should be in this case.

It's not accidental using an illegal chokehold in a city that has banned the policy by law ( and rightfully so).

So texting during and drunk driving is legal? The officer did not put the man into a choke hold with the intention of causing him to have a heart attack. Do you seriously believe he intended to kill the guy? Honest answer now. This would be manslaughter, negligent homicide, but not murder. I completely agree the cop was out of line, and should absolutely spend years in jail. I think zero repercussions is bull sheep and possibly a cover up.

Edit: sorry, not a cover up, but giving the cop a pass which happens way to much and needs to be stopped.

I think he needs to be charged with manslaughter,yes.

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 11, 2014, 10:34:01 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 11, 2014, 08:18:31 PM
Also, interesting fact, Very few officers listen to the ban on chokeholds.  There have been literally thousands of documented uses in the past couple years.  Not saying it's good, but he probably figured it was one of those rules that no one cares about (like open toe-ed shoes at school.  That's technically a dress code violation, but no one cares)
Yes because wearing flip-flops and killing people using illegal chokeholds are two comparable things. You are reading the stupid things you are typing, right?
You realize you aren't trying to understand what I mean by something.  You take it and immediately twist it to fit your definition of me being a "stupid internet troll".  Also, it was a passing comparison.  It was not what I was trying to get it.  It was simply an illusion to help you understand what I meant by the previous sentence.

The point I'm trying to make with that is it could be seen as no big deal in their unit.  Every does it.  No one says no.  So the people don't know better.

And before you say "but it's lethal!" It's pretty close to the same as tazing someone.  Will it kill them if you do it right? No.  Will it if you do it for too long? Yes.
You said e shouldn't be charged with manslaughter. You are aware that manslaughter means to kill someone without intent yes? If so, please elaborate on your reasoning.

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 12:07:10 PM
Yes that is what manslaughter means.  It also comes with a felony.  I do do believe they should get punished, but not with something as serious as a felony.  They were just trying to do their job.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

MuggyWuggy

Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
You take it and immediately twist it to fit your definition of me being a "stupid internet troll".

I honestly just think your opinion is so attrocious that you cannot be human.

MuggyWuggy

I'm very sure everyone does not share your specific opinion and word. They may have the same ideas in a general sense, but by all means they are not you.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 12, 2014, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
You take it and immediately twist it to fit your definition of me being a "stupid internet troll".

I honestly just think your opinion is so attrocious that you cannot be human.
Most conservatives and libertarians agree with me.
Look! We found the root of the problem!

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 12, 2014, 03:17:46 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 12, 2014, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
You take it and immediately twist it to fit your definition of me being a "stupid internet troll".

I honestly just think your opinion is so attrocious that you cannot be human.
Most conservatives and libertarians agree with me.
Look! We found the root of the problem!
Lol

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 12, 2014, 03:17:46 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 12, 2014, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
You take it and immediately twist it to fit your definition of me being a "stupid internet troll".

I honestly just think your opinion is so attrocious that you cannot be human.
Most conservatives and libertarians agree with me.
Look! We found the root of the problem!
AGRUS HITTIN WHERE IT COUNTS

MuggyWuggy

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Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 06:51:20 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 12, 2014, 03:11:39 PM
Can we just assume I am not in 2nd grade please and that I do have some common sense?

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Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 12, 2014, 03:17:46 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 12, 2014, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
You take it and immediately twist it to fit your definition of me being a "stupid internet troll".

I honestly just think your opinion is so attrocious that you cannot be human.
Most conservatives and libertarians agree with me.
Look! We found the root of the problem!

Are you saying that 50% of americans are atrocious?
No, just that they are wrong, where did the word atrocious come into play? The only reason conservatives have any power in the government is ignorance among the masses a lot of people with superiority complexes.

NovusOrbis

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 12, 2014, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 12, 2014, 03:17:46 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 12, 2014, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
You take it and immediately twist it to fit your definition of me being a "stupid internet troll".

I honestly just think your opinion is so attrocious that you cannot be human.
Most conservatives and libertarians agree with me.
Look! We found the root of the problem!

Are you saying that 50% of americans are atrocious?
No, just that they are wrong, where did the word atrocious come into play? The only reason conservatives have any power in the government is ignorance among the masses a lot of people with superiority complexes.
No opinion is wrong or right. Even your grossly biased and, most likely hate driven, opinion. If I'm not mistaken, didn't the man who headed the affordable care act call the American public stupid?

And it seems here that you're one of the few that display a superiority complex.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 12, 2014, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 12, 2014, 03:17:46 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on December 12, 2014, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 12, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
You take it and immediately twist it to fit your definition of me being a "stupid internet troll".

I honestly just think your opinion is so attrocious that you cannot be human.
Most conservatives and libertarians agree with me.
Look! We found the root of the problem!

Are you saying that 50% of americans are atrocious?
No, just that they are wrong, where did the word atrocious come into play? The only reason conservatives have any power in the government is ignorance among the masses a lot of people with superiority complexes.
No opinion is wrong or right. Even your grossly biased and, most likely hate driven, opinion. If I'm not mistaken, didn't the man who headed the affordable care act call the American public stupid?
[/quote]I disagree, most opinions are stupid. Bias is a broad term, yes I have a tendency to think a certain way, but I am able to consider the opposition's viewpoint (which I critically analyze and find incorrect). How is wanting justice for a man killed by the police hate driven? Lastly, how is that person's opinion relevant to this discussion?

Quote from: NovusOrbis on December 12, 2014, 10:33:00 PM


And it seems here that you're one of the few that display a superiority complex.
You're on to me, asking for equality and justice is me displaying my superiority. Good job.

Cender

Well, this argument has done a great job of devolving into mudslinging on both sides. Can't we all just pretend this isn't the Internet for just a little while and have a reasonable debate?

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Cender on December 12, 2014, 10:48:28 PM
Well, this argument has done a great job of devolving into mudslinging on both sides. Can't we all just pretend this isn't the Internet for just a little while and have a reasonable debate?
We tried for a while, but when it comes to equating wearing flip flops and killing someone, it's quite difficult.