Dictate + Deflecting Palm

[Mattao19]

Just read Conley Woods' article on his {Dictate of the Twin Gods} deck and he said there's a combo with {Deflecting Palm} and {Dictate of the Twin Gods} saying it deals 4x the damage. I don't understand. Can somebody explain this thanks

[Munchlax]

The creature's damage is multiples by two due to the dictate. From there deflecting Palm stops it and deals the same damage to something else except that is doubled by dictate. In total 4x the original damage

[Mattao19]

I like that!!! Thanks Munchy!!

[MuggyWuggy]

Dictate + DPALM + stoke = 16 dmg back
Bwahahaha

[LinkCelestrial]

Dictate + DPALM + stoke = 16 dmg back
Bwahahaha

Oh I wanna make a deck around this...

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Dictate + DPALM + stoke = 16 dmg back
Bwahahaha

So is this the opponents stoke? Cause otherwise won't dpalm hit yourself?

[MuggyWuggy]

Yeh reflecting 4 damage from opponent with dictate before damage, then before damage after dictate resolves, DPALM to DFACE

Have a second one avail in case they DPALM back to you for lethal!

[Destore117]

Another thing could be curses. Enchant the opponent with dictate out. And x2 attack damage flip back for x2 x2
X8 damage?

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So after thinking about this a lot, shouldn't {dictate of the twin gods} only apply if the damage is actually being dealt. It's not like if I {lightning bolt} you, my spell on the stack has the text "deals 6 damage to target creature or player". It still says three, dictate will just replace it once it actually happens. But {deflecting palm} prevents that damage. So it never should have a chance to be doubled the first time, right?

Ruling from {dictate of the twin gods}:
If multiple effects modify how damage will be dealt, the player being dealt damage or the controller of the permanent being dealt damage chooses the order to apply the effects. For example, the ability of Decorated Griffin says "Prevent the next 1 combat damage that would be dealt to you this turn." Suppose you would be dealt 3 combat damage and you activate the ability of Decorated Griffin. You can either (a) prevent 1 damage first and then let Dictate of the Twin Gods's effect double the remaining 2 damage, for a result of being dealt 4 damage, or (b) double the damage to 6 and then prevent 1 damage, for a result of being dealt 5 damage.

But in this example your preventing all the damage, so please correct me if I have gone wrong somewhere.

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Bump

[Kaylesh]

If you take option (b) from the ruling, first doubling, then deflecting, it would be doubled already.

[MuggyWuggy]

If damage would be dealt, double it (3 doubles to 6)

Preventing damage cannot happen unless damage can be dealt, since damage is being dealt(3), it will double(6).

Now DPALM reflects that damage that would be dealt (6), and damage source's owner gets double that (6x2) due to DPALM dealing damage back

* this is all assuming dictate is on the board