Question of logic

[MuggyWuggy]

If a mans death is ruled as a homicide

And it is caught on video from a clear angle.

Shouldn't that be enough evidence to go to trial?

[InfinitiveDivinity]

Yes, why do you ask?

[Rass]

I believe he is referencing the incident in New York.

[NovusOrbis]

The NYPD banned choke holds because they kill people. The cop certainly should receive some form of punishment, but if a heart attack is what killed the man I guess he shouldn't go to trial for murder on that technicality.

[Distriimuir]

The fact that in nycpd it's illegal to choke hold someone. They literally can't legally do that as cops. So a manslaughter charge is needed here.

[MuggyWuggy]

He was resisting arrest in the first place though.

I'd say take him to court about the choke-hold, but not for manslaughter because that wasn't his intent.

Blame the victim

The taysby way to react to things

[MuggyWuggy]

A heart attack induced by stress and panic due to being in a chokehold and lack of breath.

Which was still ruled as a homicide by the coroner.

Reports state he had a heart attack on the way to hospital, but the video shows he was dead at the scene

[Remillo]

Just to be clear - the New York Medical Examiner ruled that the cause of death was homocide, through compression of the chest and neck, with various health problems also contributing.  Regardless of whether it was a heart attack caused by this and health problems, one thing is still undeniably true: Officer Daniel Pantaleo, through the use of a chokehold that had been outlawed, caused the death of Eric Garner.  Regardless of if it was intentional, he killed a man, in broad daylight, on camera.  Yet the only one involved to be indicted to go to trial was Ramsey Orta, a friend of Garner's and the one that filmed the video, and that was on a totally seperate charge.

Racially-motivated Police Brutality is a thing, guys.  It's stupid to think it isn't real.

[Gorzo]

He was resisting arrest in the first place though.

I'd say take him to court about the choke-hold, but not for manslaughter because that wasn't his intent.

Resisting arrest for what? He wasn't Michael Brown, the man hadn't just committed a robbery. He was choked to death for selling loose cigarettes for a few cents, maybe a couple dollars of profit, ffs. How is that even a crime in a free market nation?

Let's say for a minute that this doesn't qualify for involuntary manslaughter. What would you call it? It's not an accidental death. People don't get put in illegal choke-holds accidentally. It's not murder, let's be honest, there was no malice aforethought. So what is it?

[MuggyWuggy]

He actually had broken up a fight

So being an upstanding citizen helping your community will get you killed

[MuggyWuggy]

He was selling cigarettes illegally, the police tried to detain him and he refused, so they had to act.  The officer used an illegal technique so he should get punished for that.  He wasn't trying to kill him so it shouldn't be murder.  Most I could see is involuntary manslaughter.

Typical muggy.  Being completely blind to one side of the story and hard evidence.

Watch the video then come back

You're arguing for the sake of arguing, rather than bringing logic to the table.

You blame the victim for his death.


Just reflect on those statements rather than trying to justify the police actions to simply go against the grain

[Distriimuir]

Tays shut the hell up, your a little kid that likes to take the opposite side to cause strife, nothing more. Watch the video, he didn't resist untill they threw him to the ground and choked him. ANY citizen would react the same way. Cops are over stepping their bounds, and it needs to be fixed now.

[mickeven]

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These are the guys last words. Sounds like this officer took time out his day other times to see if he could get a rise out of the guy to justify whatever he was trying to do to him. When he still couldnt, he went ahead and choked him to death anyways. he knew he had a blanket of protection over him.

[Gorzo]

Lol @ "uneducated liberals." I'm an independent who despises the two-party system,  thanks. I've also gone through quite a bit of education in my life. and, I have  worked with police (good officers, not these dirt bags we're discussing). Don't insult me, don't pretend to know my experience or what I think and feel, and don't for a second pretend you know more than everyone else. You want to disagree, that's fine, but get off the pillar you're propping yourself on.

BTW "choking him to the point where it irrefutablly caused the man's death according to the coroner,  autopsy, and evidence " = "choked him to death." if I stab you in the toe and you bleed to death because you have hemophilia, I stabbed you to death. It's just what it means.

[Distriimuir]

Liberal is the farthest thing from my stance. Nyc made it ILLEGAL for their polic to use choke holds, that right there is what's the issue. Not race, police using excessive force all over the damn country is the issue. Also don't assume people's ideologies because you still are finding yours kid, some of us are much older and even younger ones are wiser than you tays. I get it your 18 and know how everything works, but sadly you don't. Wait till your out of your twenties and your political views will change.