Ethics of Planesmanders

Started by Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth, October 29, 2014, 08:12:45 PM

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Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

How do you all feel about planeswalkers as commanders? Does it seem wrong/cheap? What are your thoughts on allowing all PW as generals?

theintelligentleman

I'm not sure how I feel about it. They are harder to remove, but can't be enchanted with hexproof or shroud, (I think), so maybe that evens it out? Harder to tuck them for sure.

Mattao19

I like PWs as generals as long as they're 4+ CMC bc a Turb 2 Domri or Ashiok is just stupid IMO but I like it and it's not as broken as you'd think bc you can't do broken combos with them (well not as easily anyways)

Like it's better than having {Mikaeus the Unhallowed} as your general and then top decking {Triskillion}

Dmreiss

Since  it is a planes walked then you can attack them also. I think that levels the field a little.

MuggyWuggy

The ones made for commander seemed balanced, any ordinary pw could get out of hand fast

Dudecore

Planeswalkers aren't super strong in EDH, I don't envision it being much of a problem. If you look at what they cost when they hit the battlefield:

Lithomancer: 5 mama put a 1/1 and equip it. I probably wouldn't pay 5 mana for that. OR 5 mana put an equipment onto the battlefield from hand or graveyard. Still not imagining thats worth 5 mana.

Teferi: 6 mana {Preordain} OR {Peregrine Drake}? I don't know.

Ob Nixilis: 5 mana deal 3 damage and gain 3 life? Nope. Put a 5/5 demon? Maybe thats worth 5 mana? Not really.

Daretti seems good.

Freyalise is 5 mana {Llanowar Elves} or {Naturalize}

Planeswalkers this expensive make it REALLY hard to survive a full table rotation until it's your turn again, then you've got to pay Commander tax - the effects only get worse. It kind of makes sense

MuggyWuggy

I dunno, {Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} t3 vs a {Mayael the Anima} deck might be lol city for the ashiok commander

Or {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} as commander.

Counter counter counter bounce
Exile library
 

Dudecore

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If {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} drew 7 cards, it would be that broken. You draw 2 and then have to wait for 3 other players to do anything before you can use him again.

{Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} is {Nephalia Drownyard} 1 opponent and ultimate is {Identity Crisis}. Not seeing the brokenness.

Planeswalkers in general are worse then Modal spells. The fantasy exists in using them over and over, which is what they do in all other eternal formats. Commander is a little more drawn out. Ultimates rarely happen, most of the time you get to watch someone pay 4 for {Brainstorm} and maybe {Fog} a tiny bit of damage?

Dudecore

Yeah, permanents. So it's like a blue {Seedborn Muse}. Color me unimpressed. I just don't see the action.

rarehuntertay

All I know is that there are going to be 5 more planes walkers to get for my collection...

DimirOverlord1300

I don't like them... Wizards keeps making commander products that print some fun stuff but also screw up a lot... Looking at you kaalia/derevi/oloro/Edric.

Also Elliott the two most played tuck spells are {Chaos Warp} and {Oblation}, so they're not that much harder to tuck

Remillo

Hey, don't knock it until you've played with them.  They've made them powerful, but not busted, and they're probably balanced fine for multiplayer.  I'm looking forward to what new stuff it'll bring tot the table.

InfinitiveDivinity

Daretti seems pretty sweet, Loot or {Goblin Welder}, ulty seems really far off though.

xStrayKnightx

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on October 29, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
I don't like them... Wizards keeps making commander products that print some fun stuff but also screw up a lot... Looking at you kaalia/derevi/oloro/Edric.
Not sure I can agree with the comment that Kaalia's broken. Derevi definitely is. Oloro's just stupid. Not sure about Edric though.

theintelligentleman

Quote from: xStrayKnightx on October 30, 2014, 06:31:48 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on October 29, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
I don't like them... Wizards keeps making commander products that print some fun stuff but also screw up a lot... Looking at you kaalia/derevi/oloro/Edric.
Not sure I can agree with the comment that Kaalia's broken. Derevi definitely is. Oloro's just stupid. Not sure about Edric though.
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Trust me, I have a Edric deck in our playgroup, tis' very good.