Oloro, Ageless Agitator 📝 Deck Tech 📝

Started by Dudecore, March 27, 2014, 09:26:07 PM

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Dudecore

#45
I was thinking of dropping {Sun Titan}, only because he is not indestructible and 6 mana is a lot for me. I really start to get uncomfortable around 5+. Which is why I never added {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}. I was also running {Dark Confidant} at the time.

Sorin is good, Elspeth is better-er. Her emblem is perfect for Stax. Her tokens are worse but she has 2 good abilities.

Do either of you actually play {Heliod, God of the Sun}? I would like to hear how opponents react, or what kind of weirdness you can do with it.

{Seal of Cleansing} gets some recursion with {Sun Titan}, gets around {In the Eye of Chaos} and works with {Replenish}. My other recourse would be run {Disenchant} or {Council's Judgment}. A case could be made for either.

{Tormod's Crypt} can be changed into {Nihil Spellbomb} like it was before. Nihil costs more, but draws me a card if no one is interactive with their graveyard.

{Trading Post} is really a good way to gain some life back and draw cards. It is a really good EDH card imo. But If the situation arises where I cut {Sun Titan} add {Heliod, God of the Sun} then I can possibly cut {Trading Post} and add {Skullclamp}.

I've worked out a lot of deck permutations in my head. I really look at making the best deck possible for me. I don't want to start adding combos and stuff. I want to build my own little bubble and draw cards, with no real wincon.

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: Dudecore on October 03, 2014, 08:09:28 PM
I was thinking of dropping {Sun Titan}, only because he is not indestructible and 6 mana is a lot for me. I really start to get uncomfortable around 5+. Which is why I never added {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}. I was also running {Dark Confidant} at the time.

Sorin is good, Elspeth is better-er. Her emblem is perfect for Stax. Her tokens are worse but she has 2 good abilities.

Do either of you actually play {Heliod, God of the Sun}? I would like to hear how opponents react, or what kind of weirdness you can do with it.

{Seal of Cleansing} gets some recursion with {Sun Titan}, gets around {In the Eye of Chaos} and works with {Replenish}. My other recourse would be run {Disenchant} or {Council's Judgment}. A case could be made for either.

{Tormod's Crypt} can be changed into {Nihil Spellbomb} like it was before. Nihil costs more, but draws me a card if no one is interactive with their graveyard.

{Trading Post} is really a good way to gain some life back and draw cards. It is a really good EDH card imo. But If the situation arises where I cut {Sun Titan} add {Heliod, God of the Sun} then I can possibly cut {Trading Post} and add {Skullclamp}.

I've worked out a lot of deck permutations in my head. I really look at making the best deck possible for me. I don't want to start adding combos and stuff. I want to build my own little bubble and draw cards, with no real wincon.
I'm not a hundred percent sure you wre referring to me when you said do either if you play Heliod but anyways, I don't personally but my friend (dimiroverlord on here) plays him in his Derevi stax deck. He works pretty well although his lock down method is more stasis/winter orb stuff and so the relevant part is the vigilance, although the soldiers are nice extra untap triggers. Getting on to being relevant, I do not play Heliod but have seen him preform really well in decks at FNM or just in videos online. Inherent indestructibility is really nice, so check that off. Generating tokens that can hit stuff and block is awesome. Giving whatever other stuff you have vigilance is also awesome, vigilance tends to be really underrated.

DimirOverlord1300

Quote from: Hexproof_is_the_best on October 03, 2014, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on October 03, 2014, 08:09:28 PM
I was thinking of dropping {Sun Titan}, only because he is not indestructible and 6 mana is a lot for me. I really start to get uncomfortable around 5+. Which is why I never added {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}. I was also running {Dark Confidant} at the time.

Sorin is good, Elspeth is better-er. Her emblem is perfect for Stax. Her tokens are worse but she has 2 good abilities.

Do either of you actually play {Heliod, God of the Sun}? I would like to hear how opponents react, or what kind of weirdness you can do with it.

{Seal of Cleansing} gets some recursion with {Sun Titan}, gets around {In the Eye of Chaos} and works with {Replenish}. My other recourse would be run {Disenchant} or {Council's Judgment}. A case could be made for either.

{Tormod's Crypt} can be changed into {Nihil Spellbomb} like it was before. Nihil costs more, but draws me a card if no one is interactive with their graveyard.

{Trading Post} is really a good way to gain some life back and draw cards. It is a really good EDH card imo. But If the situation arises where I cut {Sun Titan} add {Heliod, God of the Sun} then I can possibly cut {Trading Post} and add {Skullclamp}.

I've worked out a lot of deck permutations in my head. I really look at making the best deck possible for me. I don't want to start adding combos and stuff. I want to build my own little bubble and draw cards, with no real wincon.
I'm not a hundred percent sure you wre referring to me when you said do either if you play Heliod but anyways, I don't personally but my friend (dimiroverlord on here) plays him in his Derevi stax deck. He works pretty well although his lock down method is more stasis/winter orb stuff and so the relevant part is the vigilance, although the soldiers are nice extra untap triggers. Getting on to being relevant, I do not play Heliod but have seen him preform really well in decks at FNM or just in videos online. Inherent indestructibility is really nice, so check that off. Generating tokens that can hit stuff and block is awesome. Giving whatever other stuff you have vigilance is also awesome, vigilance tends to be really underrated.
I don't know if id call my deck stax...

Dudecore

#48
Yeah that's the kinda stuff I'm into knowing. I could see vigilance being good in multiplayer. I wonder if I should jam {Meekstone}, but that might be getting greedy.

I know a lot of Deveri decks run Heliod, but I've never heard of Stax doing it.

Thetrufflehunter


Dudecore

Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on October 04, 2014, 06:12:23 PM
{Greater auramancy}?

I don't know if I like {Greater Auramancy}. It just seems like it might eat a {Aura Shards} then continue, which is usually the case. I can free up some room for it I guess. I've got some {ponder}ing to do

+1 for the suggestion.

Munchlax


Dudecore

Quote from: Munchlax on October 04, 2014, 08:25:16 PM
This deck needs {Embargo}

You prefer {Embargo} over {Meekstone}? Meekstone keeps my little token guys viable when I don't have {Heliod, God of the Sun} out. That interaction isn't even in the deck yet, its all hypothetically speaking.

Munchlax

Quote from: Dudecore on October 04, 2014, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on October 04, 2014, 08:25:16 PM
This deck needs {Embargo}

You prefer {Embargo} over {Meekstone}? Meekstone keeps my little token guys viable when I don't have {Heliod, God of the Sun} out. That interaction isn't even in the deck yet, its all hypothetically speaking.
But imbargo is so good with Oloro

Dudecore

Quote from: Munchlax on October 04, 2014, 09:28:22 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on October 04, 2014, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on October 04, 2014, 08:25:16 PM
This deck needs {Embargo}

You prefer {Embargo} over {Meekstone}? Meekstone keeps my little token guys viable when I don't have {Heliod, God of the Sun} out. That interaction isn't even in the deck yet, its all hypothetically speaking.
But imbargo is so good with Oloro

The penalty hurts less with Oloro. But my deck is about resource denial, but I can't deny my own resources. I count on mana rocks untapping each turn after I destroy all Lands. {Embargo} practically locks me out of the game as well as everyone else. It's not fun being on the receiving end of that :P

Thetrufflehunter

Does {vile consumption} have a place in here?

Dudecore

#56
Yep. I just don't know what to cut...I like that card though. Maybe lose {Spreading Plague}?

Thetrufflehunter

Quote from: Dudecore on October 28, 2014, 11:19:14 PM
Yep. I just don't know what to cut...I like that card though.
Night of souls betrayal? I know it locks with humility, but if you have humility, they're gonna be saccing all their dudes snyhow.

Dudecore

#58
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on October 28, 2014, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on October 28, 2014, 11:19:14 PM
Yep. I just don't know what to cut...I like that card though.
Night of souls betrayal? I know it locks with humility, but if you have humility, they're gonna be saccing all their dudes snyhow.

I hear ya. I'll give it a go.

+1 for suggestion with a cut.

Dudecore