New BUG Walkers

[DylanW18]

Actually lili wasn't supposed to be in there anymore lol supposed to be a 3rd Sultai charm

[Mattao19]

I feel like TSeize is more important than S Charm

[DylanW18]

I agree Seize is more powerful and cheaper costed, but running Despise and Seize makes 6 1 drop discard spells. I almost always have 1 in my opening hand. But the two reasons for me not running 4 seize is

1.) I don't have the funds
2.) S Charm refills my hand after using all those discard spells. And S charm can kill something once it's already resolved, or help draw to a new kill spell. Top decking a Seize late game when they have no hand is a dead card to me

But I honestly get what you're saying. I'm still considering it :p any counter argument to help me reconsider? Lol

[Mattao19]

true lol but to me discard spells do this:

they wreck any mulligans
they destroy greedy hands
stop the Ascendancy Combo deck

HAVING SAID THAT:

after T4 they suck
you rarely want to top deck them
and the T Seize can burn you out

so its up to you I'm just trying to help

[DylanW18]

I get ya :p I think I'm gonna go for the S Charm simply because of versatility. But I might playtest 4 seizes on untap later and try it out :p thanks

[DylanW18]

I need more vs Jeskai... Any ideas? Is {Phyrexian Revoker} worth running in SB? Thanks

[MuggyWuggy]

Bile blight, negate and swan song are wonderful for jeskai
Also disdainful stroke

[MuggyWuggy]

Personally id drop kiora to 2.

[Mattao19]

Really why would you cut Kiora to 2? Not saying you're wrong just wondering why?

[MuggyWuggy]

I found at 3 I was drawing her too often without protection. The ramp isn't needed as badly as her fog ability/ultimate (least in my build), and usually she dies if no mana is up for a counter. Downfall, attack or something happens to her immediately most of the times I play her.

I kept her as a 3 of for about a month before I decided to up my creatures/walker defense. She always died before really being effective.

Now as a 2 of, I am able to protect her (more counters and creatures). Usually this results in focus on her if there is no ashiok out. Using tricks and rakashas to defend her, my opponents usually miss wingroc life gains (when fogged) & constantly pass to a wall of dealers/coursers with 4+ open mana.

What I like about how much hate she draws: people forget to kill you

I used to run 4 ashiok's too, but dropping one for jace the guild pact was a great choice.

[DylanW18]

Agreed on 1 jace 3 Ashiok. But in my build, it's kiora's -1 I use. She will kill herself after 2 explores and maybe I'll draw another, maybe I won't, regardless I drew answers and I'm 2 turns ahead of my opponent. Just my build though :p

[DylanW18]

Although I do plus vs Abzan

[DylanW18]

Updates!


-1 {Jace, the Living Guildpact}. I will add him in if I get room, but right now, he's meh.

-1 {Nissa Worldwaker}. While I love me some Nissa, I only need one. Once she comes down i strictly resort to 3 cost cover spells and oppressive 4/4's, but sometimes it's a high drop or Nissa in my hand and no cover spells, and she felt clustered. I think dropping to 1 is best. Haven't playtested this though.



+1 {Empty the Pits}. I hate it in my opening hand, but wow what a late game top deck, or good grab with Dig late game. Jeez does it pack a punch. I usually play it for 5+ zombies, and that's gg 99% of the time.

+1 {Villainous Wealth}. Also wow. Not terrible in opening hand, and I cast it for 3 or 4 those games and it's still a bomb.  And as for the late games where I cast it for 15? Opponents concede and I win


Concerns: Am I stretching my wincons? 1 Garruk, 1 Nissa, 1 Pits, 1 Wealth. Should I just stick with one wincon or keep the variety? I like that my opponents can't deal with all 4, but I question if it's optimal. Opinions?


Also if anyone ever wants to play on untap message me!

[DylanW18]

SB I added:

+1 {Ætherspouts}, -1 {Drown in Sorrow}. Sometimes drown cant complete the job vs RDW or Mardu. Maybe a singleton spout can help a brother out?

+1 {Silence the Believers}, -1 {Extinguish All Hope}. I added this for odd situations, like Gods, Indestructibility, or dredge or something.


Any thoughts/comments/concerns about my adjustments?

[MuggyWuggy]

What decks are you having trouble with?

Red Aggro has been the only matchup I have trouble with. Jeskai can be nasty if they are fast.

I think BUG walkers will find a way to overcome azban and jeskai easily & become very popular, although very precise, it's a very fun deck and it puts people on edge who are used to dominating. 

I tried villanous wealth and it was money for casting x for 4 vs jeskai. I find it to be a one of but eventually threw it out. Ill have to try empty the pits...