UR Delver

Started by Silent1236, September 19, 2014, 01:54:03 PM

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Mattao19

Quote from: Silent1236 on September 20, 2014, 07:48:56 AM
If I were to splash white for {Geist of Saint Traft}, would that be worth changing the mana base around or is GoST not good enough to merit a splash?  I want to play him, but I don't want to spend the money to build UWR Midrange/control yet haha.

Geist changes the deck a lot!! You add Colonnades and Helixes and you go for more control opposed to tempo so if that's what you want then sure play {W} bc Geist is unreal!!

Silent1236

Quote from: Mattao19 on September 20, 2014, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on September 20, 2014, 07:48:56 AM
If I were to splash white for {Geist of Saint Traft}, would that be worth changing the mana base around or is GoST not good enough to merit a splash?  I want to play him, but I don't want to spend the money to build UWR Midrange/control yet haha.

Geist changes the deck a lot!!

That was my main concern haha.  I really want to play him, but I don't want to pay for the deck that he shines in.  Yet.  I'm planning on throwing this delver deck together and seeing if I can turn profit with it and then build UWR something-or-other hahaha

Silent1236

So, I've been tweaking this list a lot.  Right now, it looks like a random mish mash of cards (which it kind of is) but I'm really noticing some things. 
1) {Treasure Cruise} and {Monastery Swiftspear} are .loving. awesome.
2) {Young Pyromancer} didn't make the cut (gasp!)
3) When funds permit, I will be running 2 more {Flooded Strand} and 4 {Scalding Tarn}s to help {Treasure Cruise} and smooth the mana base.
4) Eventually will be -2 {Vapor Snag} +2 {Gitaxian Probe} :P  Bit of an oversight on my part.
5) I'm kind of expecting some .poo. about this (especially the no YP bit) so lay it on me!

Munchlax

Yeah seriously young pyro is too good in here to turn down. Maybe put in two instead of a {Thought Scour} and a {Snaocaster Mage}

Silent1236

Honestly, Pyromancer seemed too slow and durdley.  May come back in later, but I'm going to continue trying it without. This has been doing pretty well. Went 2-1 in a mirror against YP Delver. Again, mostly just a personal preference thing that I don't like pyromancer, but I don't think it's a necessity for the deck. I do, however, know that a lot of people seem to think it is. And that's why I'm going to be doing quite a bit of testing with and without ;)

Silent1236

Quote from: Munchlax on October 19, 2014, 08:29:42 AM
Yeah seriously young pyro is too good in here to turn down. Maybe put in two instead of a {Thought Scour} and a {Snaocaster Mage}

{Thought Scour} is my best way to get {Treasure Cruise} active while I don't have the money for the rest of the fetches. And {Snapcaster Mage} just seems way too versatile in this deck to not run a full set. IMHO, {Snapcaster Mage} >>> {Young Pyromancer}

Rass

Quote from: Silent1236 on October 19, 2014, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on October 19, 2014, 08:29:42 AM
Yeah seriously young pyro is too good in here to turn down. Maybe put in two instead of a {Thought Scour} and a {Snaocaster Mage}

{Thought Scour} is my best way to get {Treasure Cruise} active while I don't have the money for the rest of the fetches. And {Snapcaster Mage} just seems way too versatile in this deck to not run a full set. IMHO, {Snapcaster Mage} >>> {Young Pyromancer}

Just tossing it out but maybe a  {Faithless Looting} so you don't top deck something you need from the scour?

Silent1236

Quote from: Rass on October 19, 2014, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on October 19, 2014, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on October 19, 2014, 08:29:42 AM
Yeah seriously young pyro is too good in here to turn down. Maybe put in two instead of a {Thought Scour} and a {Snaocaster Mage}

{Thought Scour} is my best way to get {Treasure Cruise} active while I don't have the money for the rest of the fetches. And {Snapcaster Mage} just seems way too versatile in this deck to not run a full set. IMHO, {Snapcaster Mage} >>> {Young Pyromancer}

Just tossing it out but maybe a  {Faithless Looting} so you don't top deck something you need from the scour?

Hmmmm.  I kinda like "draw two" over "draw one."  Biggest downsides are sorcery speed and if I ever run into that weird grixis discard deck with {Liliana's Caress} again haha. 

cltrn81

Scour actually nets you 1 card whereas looting does not net you a card

Silent1236

Quote from: cltrn81 on October 19, 2014, 06:05:44 PM
Scour actually nets you 1 card whereas looting does not net you a card

Good point.  Looting kind of just filters my hand. 

Aladormax

I like this build a lot, but I only have 2 snapcaster Mage. Would a compromise 2-  {Young Pyromancer} and 2 snap work at all?

Munchlax

Quote from: Aladormax on October 19, 2014, 07:44:05 PM
I like this build a lot, but I only have 2 snapcaster Mage. Would a compromise 2-  {Young Pyromancer} and 2 snap work at all?
Or 1 scour and one snap which was my suggestion

Silent1236

Quote from: Aladormax on October 19, 2014, 07:44:05 PM
I like this build a lot, but I only have 2 snapcaster Mage. Would a compromise 2-  {Young Pyromancer} and 2 snap work at all?

Not really sure. Try it and see!  I personally think Snappy should be at least a 3-of since he's got such good utility in this deck, but that may be entirely a personal preference thing. Test it out and see what you think!

Silent1236

Some changes I'm wanting to make are:
-2 {Vapor Snag}
-1 {Island}
+2 {Gitaxian Probe}
+1 {Electrolyze}

SB
-1 {Flashfreeze}
+1 {Mindbreak Trap}

Kaalia with haste

Treasure cruise isn't very good wih 4 snap casters, maybe cut 1. Either that or be very careful with what you exile to treasure cruise in case you draw a snappy