Ferguson

[NovusOrbis]

"Everybody lies. People lie to me all the time: witnesses, defendants, lawyers, everyone."- My speech teacher, the assistant prosecuting attorney for the state of Missouri.

....

Yeah, let's just ignore the only things we know about the case and let someone literally get away with murder.

Unless you witnessed the illegal act in question, you're basing your judgement off of what you've heard. Not what's happened.

"Well I didn't see Hitler kill anyone, I guess he wasn't that bad of a guy after all." Seriously, your arguments are idiotic. Under this idiotic standard, we should just through out the legal system and devolve into chaos. We may never know what happened, but the eye-witness testimony is better than your guesses, and no matter what the witnesses say, we know for a fact that the cop killed an unarmed black man, which is completely unacceptable.

There are terrible cops, but there are terrible people as well. People break the rules, regardless of their creed or upbringing.

...and those people shouldn't be cops, we should hold them to a higher standard.

It's unethical to degrade people in a speech or debate, but...
You have witnessed what Hitler did, in photographs and video. My wording was a mistake. Allow me to re-phrase that if you will, "unless you witnessed the illegal act in question or have seen actual physical evidence, you're basing your judgement off what you've heard."
Morals are subjective. Everybody abuses their power regardless of race, rank, or creed, and this should be known by now. I, for one, hold everyone to an equal standard and will judge based on the content of their character, to quote someone famous.
I'm not trying to sound heartless, I realize and recognize that it's a serious problem, but this case is not special. I'm simply pointing out the lack of any physical evidence in the case right now, not condoning police brutality of any sort. I'll gladly discuss any of these following cases of police brutality, but it would be an entirely new topic.
{www.guardianlv.com/2014/04/police-brutality-and-the-abuse-of-power-the-new-norm-graphic-video/}
Ech, I use the iPod app, so it won't link properly; disregard the pretty blue text.

[Distriimuir]

So how about that video that just popped up? Showing he had his hands up and was walking away when the officer opened fire? Pretty much sums it up now doesn't it? Police abuse power.

[Distriimuir]

The video hasn't been released to the public due to the violence in it. Though all major news channels are reporting it.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

"Everybody lies. People lie to me all the time: witnesses, defendants, lawyers, everyone."- My speech teacher, the assistant prosecuting attorney for the state of Missouri.

....

Yeah, let's just ignore the only things we know about the case and let someone literally get away with murder.

Unless you witnessed the illegal act in question, you're basing your judgement off of what you've heard. Not what's happened.

"Well I didn't see Hitler kill anyone, I guess he wasn't that bad of a guy after all." Seriously, your arguments are idiotic. Under this idiotic standard, we should just through out the legal system and devolve into chaos. We may never know what happened, but the eye-witness testimony is better than your guesses, and no matter what the witnesses say, we know for a fact that the cop killed an unarmed black man, which is completely unacceptable.

There are terrible cops, but there are terrible people as well. People break the rules, regardless of their creed or upbringing.

...and those people shouldn't be cops, we should hold them to a higher standard.

It's unethical to people in a speech or debate, but...
You have witnessed what Hitler did, in photographs and video. My wording was a mistake. Allow me to re-phrase that if you will, "unless you witnessed the illegal act in question or have seen actual physical evidence, you're basing your judgement off what you've heard."
Morals are subjective. Everybody abuses their power regardless of race, rank, or creed, and this should be known by now. I, for one, hold everyone to an equal standard and will judge based on the content of their character, to quote someone famous.
I'm not trying to sound heartless, I realize and recognize that it's a serious problem, but this case is not special. I'm simply pointing out the lack of any physical evidence in the case right now, not condoning police brutality of any sort. I'll gladly discuss any of these following cases of police brutality, but it would be an entirely new topic.
{www.guardianlv.com/2014/04/police-brutality-and-the-abuse-of-power-the-new-norm-graphic-video/}
Ech, I use the iPod app, so it won't link properly; disregard the pretty blue text.

Okay, but we still have a dead civilian, that is the physical evidence that the cop didn't do their job correctly. Also, while I agree that eyewitness testimony isn't 100%, when there are multiple reported cases, it becomes increasingly likely that it is true. Lastly, no matter what actually happened that fateful day, we have recordings of the police committing misconduct in the riots after the shootings, ranging from screaming derogatory terms at a crowd of black protestors to shooting rubber bullets at an Al-Jazeera America news team. Between the physical and circumstantial evidence, I think it is impossible to deny that the police in Ferguson are guilty.

[NovusOrbis]

And you're aloud to think that; Although I wouldn't say the whole police force are to blame. And I'll provide the flip side. There's witness testimonials saying that brown charges the officer. But it's hard to rely on witness testimonials alone, due to conflicting reports of what happened. Several were debunked when the autopsy showed that all of the bullets entered from the front. As for physical evidence we have brown, deceased, and the Officer(whose name I can't remember off the top of my head) with a dislocated eye socket. Certainly something happened here. But it's hard to say what happened exactly . While we might be able to prove an Actus Reus, there's going to be a difficult time proving any Mens Rea.

[MuggyWuggy]

Wasn't that the witness who spoke on a phone interview later that was a friend of officer Wilson's wife?

[Ekann1]

"Everybody lies. People lie to me all the time: witnesses, defendants, lawyers, everyone."- My speech teacher, the assistant prosecuting attorney for the state of Missouri.

....

Yeah, let's just ignore the only things we know about the case and let someone literally get away with murder.

Unless you witnessed the illegal act in question, you're basing your judgement off of what you've heard. Not what's happened.

"Well I didn't see Hitler kill anyone, I guess he wasn't that bad of a guy after all." Seriously, your arguments are idiotic. Under this idiotic standard, we should just through out the legal system and devolve into chaos. We may never know what happened, but the eye-witness testimony is better than your guesses, and no matter what the witnesses say, we know for a fact that the cop killed an unarmed black man, which is completely unacceptable.

There are terrible cops, but there are terrible people as well. People break the rules, regardless of their creed or upbringing.

...and those people shouldn't be cops, we should hold them to a higher standard.

It's unethical to degrade people in a speech or debate, but...
You have witnessed what Hitler did, in photographs and video. My wording was a mistake. Allow me to re-phrase that if you will, "unless you witnessed the illegal act in question or have seen actual physical evidence, you're basing your judgement off what you've heard."
Morals are subjective. Everybody abuses their power regardless of race, rank, or creed, and this should be known by now. I, for one, hold everyone to an equal standard and will judge based on the content of their character, to quote someone famous.
I'm not trying to sound heartless, I realize and recognize that it's a serious problem, but this case is not special. I'm simply pointing out the lack of any physical evidence in the case right now, not condoning police brutality of any sort. I'll gladly discuss any of these following cases of police brutality, but it would be an entirely new topic.
{www.guardianlv.com/2014/04/police-brutality-and-the-abuse-of-power-the-new-norm-graphic-video/}
Ech, I use the iPod app, so it won't link properly; disregard the pretty blue text.

Get rid of your curly brackets and your pretty blue text should work fine

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

And you're aloud to think that; Although I wouldn't say the whole police force are to blame. And I'll provide the flip side. There's witness testimonials saying that brown charges the officer. But it's hard to rely on witness testimonials alone, due to conflicting reports of what happened. Several were debunked when the autopsy showed that all of the bullets entered from the front. As for physical evidence we have brown, deceased, and the Officer(whose name I can't remember off the top of my head) with a dislocated eye socket. Certainly something happened here. But it's hard to say what happened exactly . While we might be able to prove an Actus Reus, there's going to be a difficult time proving any Mens Rea.

The problem is we are all trying to have a debate on a real moral issue in this country and you are just trying to show off the vocab and ideologies you learned in class.

[NovusOrbis]

And you're aloud to think that; Although I wouldn't say the whole police force are to blame. And I'll provide the flip side. There's witness testimonials saying that brown charges the officer. But it's hard to rely on witness testimonials alone, due to conflicting reports of what happened. Several were debunked when the autopsy showed that all of the bullets entered from the front. As for physical evidence we have brown, deceased, and the Officer(whose name I can't remember off the top of my head) with a dislocated eye socket. Certainly something happened here. But it's hard to say what happened exactly . While we might be able to prove an Actus Reus, there's going to be a difficult time proving any Mens Rea.

The problem is we are all trying to have a debate on a real moral issue in this country and you are just trying to show off the vocab and ideologies you learned in class.

Do you just not like anyone who has a different opinion than you? I didn't  say it wasn't a moral issue... But since you are oblivious to that I'll say it now. I never said it wasn't an issue of morals. And I'll stop with the legal terms that you'll hear in any courtroom and use Leymans terms for you. With a lack of actuall stuff other than a dead body and a dislocated eye socket, and stories that don't match up, it's going to be hard to prove that the officer did anything out of order.

[MuggyWuggy]

Whatever the truth may be, I feel all LEOs must wear a camera that is controlled by the station and not them.
Live streams of patrols should be watched by a supervisor to help make squad calls and assure the situations are handled properly.

These live streams should be available if requested within 48 hours of an incident.

Unfortunately: we have to ensure the police are being policed

[NovusOrbis]

Whatever the truth may be, I feel all LEOs must wear a camera that is controlled by the station and not them.
Live streams of patrols should be watched by a supervisor to help make squad calls and assure the situations are handled properly.

These live streams should be available if requested within 48 hours of an incident.

Unfortunately: we have to ensure the police are being policed

I agree.

Y yo tambien

[MuggyWuggy]

Jesus a whole 4 pages of looking for an old thread instead of creating a new one...

[Piotr]

Our forum engine can cope with additional threads just fine. Deleting threads for no reason is illegal.