Hammerhand

Started by jonrox3, August 13, 2014, 10:19:24 PM

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jonrox3

Im feeling iffy on this, but when you play {hammerhand} can you target the creature that you enchant? This would be for heroic btw.

TheRagingMage

Yes, the card doesn't have any restrictions on the target other than "creature," so you can target any creature, even the enchanted one.

jonrox3


Subiskier

Does heroic not trigger from auras? Or the enter the battlefield trigger?

Remillo

Heroic ony triggers when a Spell is cast that targets the creature.  Triggered abilities, like the 'can't block' on hammerhand, are not spells.

Gorzo

Remillo has it correct.

In addition, you can only trigger heroic one time per spell anyways, so even a spell that actually does target the same target multiple times as a single spell (a rare occasion, like with {Common Bond}), you will still only get one heroic trigger.

blackychan1

Looks like I've been using {common bond} incorrectly....

Destore117

However a good point to be raised, {Hammerhand} could be used to target 2 seperate heroic creatures, one to enchant, one that can't block. Therefore, buffing 2 of your creatures at no expense to yourself. (Cuz you don't need to worry about blocking on your turn right?)
Also, if you have Constellation creatures in play, all in all. I can see Hammerhand having many fine uses.

DrainCleaner

Quote from: Destore117 on August 14, 2014, 11:13:06 AM
However a good point to be raised, {Hammerhand} could be used to target 2 seperate heroic creatures, one to enchant, one that can't block. Therefore, buffing 2 of your creatures at no expense to yourself. (Cuz you don't need to worry about blocking on your turn right?)
Also, if you have Constellation creatures in play, all in all. I can see Hammerhand having many fine uses.

It will only trigger heroic for the creature it enchants. The can't block clause is a triggered ability and not a spell so it will not trigger a heroic ability.

Destore117

Quote from: DrainCleaner on August 14, 2014, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: Destore117 on August 14, 2014, 11:13:06 AM
However a good point to be raised, {Hammerhand} could be used to target 2 seperate heroic creatures, one to enchant, one that can't block. Therefore, buffing 2 of your creatures at no expense to yourself. (Cuz you don't need to worry about blocking on your turn right?)
Also, if you have Constellation creatures in play, all in all. I can see Hammerhand having many fine uses.

It will only trigger heroic for the creature it enchants. The can't block clause is a triggered ability and not a spell so it will not trigger a heroic ability.
Thank you for that. Thought it was a "when you cast" not an "enter battlefield" sorry about that.

Remillo

Quote from: Destore117 on August 14, 2014, 11:38:01 AM
Quote from: DrainCleaner on August 14, 2014, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: Destore117 on August 14, 2014, 11:13:06 AM
However a good point to be raised, {Hammerhand} could be used to target 2 seperate heroic creatures, one to enchant, one that can't block. Therefore, buffing 2 of your creatures at no expense to yourself. (Cuz you don't need to worry about blocking on your turn right?)
Also, if you have Constellation creatures in play, all in all. I can see Hammerhand having many fine uses.

It will only trigger heroic for the creature it enchants. The can't block clause is a triggered ability and not a spell so it will not trigger a heroic ability.
Thank you for that. Thought it was a "when you cast" not an "enter battlefield" sorry about that.

Even if it were a Cast Trigger, it's still just that, a Trigger.  An Ability, not a spell.

Gorzo

Quote from: blackychan1 on August 14, 2014, 02:37:45 AM
Looks like I've been using {common bond} incorrectly....

Don't worry, that one trips up a LOT of people :P it's all about the wording of heroic.
  {Akroan Skyguard}
"Whenever you cast a spell that targets..."
Even if you targeted Skyguard with {Common Bond} twice, you still only cast {Common Bond} once.

jonrox3

Wait so {coordinated assault} only gets one creature?

jonrox3

Ohhh okay, I understand it now. Thanks