Price Jumps and Drops

[cltrn81]

The power level of those three cards is well beyond 1 deck.  They are played in many different decks in both modern and legacy. 

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

{tarmogoyf}
{dark confidant}
{lilliana of the veil}

So mms printed more of goyf and confidant while jund was legal, making people buy more to finish their playset thus causing the price to go up.  Then deathrite got banned and now no one plays jund, so why are they still really expensive?  They should have dropped some at least...

You're right few ppl play Jund but a helluvalotta ppl play the Rock ({B}{G}) and even more splash for {Lingering Douls} it's one of the top top top tier decks and it just won the last Modern PT

The last modern PT (Pro Tour Born of the Gods) was won by Shawn McLaren using UWR control, but you are correct that Rock and Abzan are very big decks right now, and some Twin decks are using {Tarmogoyf}.

[imthelolrus]

{Vendillion Clique} is gaining value slowly and sees less play than bob, goyf, and Lilly IMO. There will always be players willing to pay a significant amount to cast MTGs most powerful spells.

On a more price related note:
{Synapse Sliver} has gained value recently and the foils are expensive. (They were 5$). I wonder if any others will jump up to join synapse and overlord.

[Munchlax]

{Synapse Sliver}

[Mattao19]

{tarmogoyf}
{dark confidant}
{lilliana of the veil}

So mms printed more of goyf and confidant while jund was legal, making people buy more to finish their playset thus causing the price to go up.  Then deathrite got banned and now no one plays jund, so why are they still really expensive?  They should have dropped some at least...

You're right few ppl play Jund but a helluvalotta ppl play the Rock ({B}{G}) and even more splash for {Lingering Douls} it's one of the top top top tier decks and it just won the last Modern PT

The last modern PT (Pro Tour Born of the Gods) was won by Shawn McLaren using UWR control, but you are correct that Rock and Abzan are very big decks right now, and some Twin decks are using {Tarmogoyf}.

Oops I meant GP Robin Dolar and his souls beat a Jund deck

[MuggyWuggy]

{Vendillion Clique} is gaining value slowly and sees less play than bob, goyf, and Lilly IMO. There will always be players willing to pay a significant amount to cast MTGs most powerful spells.

This

And I have to say it seems like clique is a sideboard for many decks that place, it is incredibly useful and that's why I hold onto my playset. Seen those suckers go from $35 to nearly $85 (high end mint with shipping)

Also a lot of the lower end prices for these staples are often very played cards

[Dudecore]

With the way everything is on the rise lately, I'd buy low on From the Vault: Annihilation. Who knows what's going to triple in value for no reason over night.

I wonder if Magic is on a bubble or if this is just how it's trending.

[Rass]

I said this a while back. It's a bubble. How long is it going to last is the question.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I said this a while back. It's a bubble. How long is it going to last is the question.

Its not a bubble, its simple economics. Magic is growing at the fastest rate it has ever seen, and Modern is the fastest growing format. A bubble is when, "trade in high volumes at prices that are considerably at variance with intrinsic values", but that is not the case because the market is consulted when prices are determined (like us checking TCGPlayer). There is a slight bubble because of Starcitygames, but the market is growing at a rate that when SCG makes a bubble, the rest of the market usually catches up very quickly. The major factor in the skyrocketing of these cards is that Magic is growing at a huge rate, while the supply of older cards is only going down. Low supply, and high (and growing) demand mean high prices. The only way the prices will go down is if a huge amount of the player base simply quits or Wizards starts flooding the market, because Wizards doesn't want either of these, we should get used to $10-20 standard staples and $10-60 Modern staples.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I think he meant "when magic players stop, prices will plummet"

That is very different from a bubble and I already said that

The only way the prices will go down is if a huge amount of the player base simply quits

[Dudecore]

I'm looking at EDH decks that I've assembled, and what I paid for the card's, most eternal cards simply doubled or tripled. Silly things like {Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir} FTV: Legends. He was almost $3.00 when it came out, that set was panned for having horrible value. Now everything is expensive. Investing in MtG is better then a bank, you can put $100 on seemingly anything and get a return on it in a year.

I feel like an idiot for selling a majority of my collection for MTGO cards. I could have doubled my MTGO collection if I would have waited even a year! I can tell you one thing, I'm not going to trade or sell any reserve list cards anymore. No telling when they'll skyrocket ({Nether Void} is worth twice what it was 2 years ago)

[Rass]

I said this a while back. It's a bubble. How long is it going to last is the question.

Its not a bubble, its simple economics. Magic is growing at the fastest rate it has ever seen, and Modern is the fastest growing format. A bubble is when, "trade in high volumes at prices that are considerably at variance with intrinsic values", but that is not the case because the market is consulted when prices are determined (like us checking TCGPlayer). There is a slight bubble because of Starcitygames, but the market is growing at a rate that when SCG makes a bubble, the rest of the market usually catches up very quickly. The major factor in the skyrocketing of these cards is that Magic is growing at a huge rate, while the supply of older cards is only going down. Low supply, and high (and growing) demand mean high prices. The only way the prices will go down is if a huge amount of the player base simply quits or Wizards starts flooding the market, because Wizards doesn't want either of these, we should get used to $10-20 standard staples and $10-60 Modern staples.

This is where I have to disagree with you. You say it's not a bubble but then you say it's a slight bubble. Can't be on both sides. Like you say there are many new player. That inflates the price of cards. Yes we check scg to compare prices so we have something to agree on to set the value. But what happens when scg seem ottawack on a foil you go to eBay or something similar. So when there is a set or two of of "crap" or the hype settles down you will see the prices on most stuff plummet. Don't get me wrong I hope it stays up and keeps climbing I have a lot of sealed stuff hoping for this but I don't see it staying.

If you want to keep debating let's open another page. So let's get back to the jumps and drops.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I said this a while back. It's a bubble. How long is it going to last is the question.

Its not a bubble, its simple economics. Magic is growing at the fastest rate it has ever seen, and Modern is the fastest growing format. A bubble is when, "trade in high volumes at prices that are considerably at variance with intrinsic values", but that is not the case because the market is consulted when prices are determined (like us checking TCGPlayer). There is a slight bubble because of Starcitygames, but the market is growing at a rate that when SCG makes a bubble, the rest of the market usually catches up very quickly. The major factor in the skyrocketing of these cards is that Magic is growing at a huge rate, while the supply of older cards is only going down. Low supply, and high (and growing) demand mean high prices. The only way the prices will go down is if a huge amount of the player base simply quits or Wizards starts flooding the market, because Wizards doesn't want either of these, we should get used to $10-20 standard staples and $10-60 Modern staples.

This is where I have to disagree with you. You say it's not a bubble but then you say it's a slight bubble. Can't be on both sides. Like you say there are many new player. That inflates the price of cards. Yes we check scg to compare prices so we have something to agree on to set the value. But what happens when scg seem ottawack on a foil you go to eBay or something similar. So when there is a set or two of of "crap" or the hype settles down you will see the prices on most stuff plummet. Don't get me wrong I hope it stays up and keeps climbing I have a lot of sealed stuff hoping for this but I don't see it staying.

If you want to keep debating let's open another page. So let's get back to the jumps and drops.

I said that a bubble is not responsible for the growth. SCG tries to create a bubble every so often by raising prices significantly above TCG and Ebay, but Magic's growth usually catches up with it, making it less a "bubble" and more speculative price-raising. But, yeah, I'll get back to topic.

I'm looking at EDH decks that I've assembled, and what I paid for the card's, most eternal cards simply doubled or tripled. Silly things like {Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir} FTV: Legends. He was almost $3.00 when it came out, that set was panned for having horrible value. Now everything is expensive. Investing in MtG is better then a bank, you can put $100 on seemingly anything and get a return on it in a year.

I feel like an idiot for selling a majority of my collection for MTGO cards. I could have doubled my MTGO collection if I would have waited even a year! I can tell you one thing, I'm not going to trade or sell any reserve list cards anymore. No telling when they'll skyrocket ({Nether Void} is worth twice what it was 2 years ago)

I know what you mean, I bought my sliver EDH deck from a dude a year ago and improved it myself (adding good lands, {Domri Rade}, {Synapse Sliver}, etc.) and when I took it apart and added it to my TB yesterday I noticed some of the $0.25 rares I put in it are $3-12.

[cltrn81]

{sliver hive} and {sliver hivelord}, along with the new common/uncommons have increased demand on that tribe across the board

[Avnger345]

And {dack fayden} foil. Which I pulled...

I'll trade you a forest for him. Value for value

Uhh.. Some bought the $200 one..   Now new one is $450 for a foil