What do you believe in?

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LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 03, 2014, 11:56:24 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 03, 2014, 11:51:30 PM
Animals evolve traits to better survive, yes?  Macro evolution is that over millions of years.
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Yes, but the traits we have seen are from a decrease in information, not an increase. We have also never seen something change kinds. Adaptability isn't evolution. You can change all sorts if things on your car, it's still a car, and it's probably a Honda Civic. (Bad joke but tries to make the point.) At no point in carving something is something added, you're just changing the shape that was already there. (Not joke still tries to make point.)

My point is that micro evolution is not concrete evidence for macro evolution. The distinction is there for a reason.

Piotr

Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?

Evolution is proven by mathematical evolutionary algorithms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_algorithm

Piotr

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 04, 2014, 02:36:13 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 03, 2014, 11:56:24 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 03, 2014, 11:51:30 PM
Animals evolve traits to better survive, yes?  Macro evolution is that over millions of years.
This

Yes, but the traits we have seen are from a decrease in information, not an increase.

I call a lie on this.

Mlerner12

Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:22:26 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?

Evolution is proven by mathematical evolutionary algorithms.
Technically, they're all theories. Gravity is a theory. But you don't see people floating off sidewalks.

Piotr

Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 07:29:35 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:22:26 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?

Evolution is proven by mathematical evolutionary algorithms.
Technically, they're all theories. Gravity is a theory. But you don't see people floating off sidewalks.

I call a lie on this one. Gravity is a law.

http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm

Mlerner12

Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 07:29:35 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:22:26 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?

Evolution is proven by mathematical evolutionary algorithms.
Technically, they're all theories. Gravity is a theory. But you don't see people floating off sidewalks.

I call a lie on this one. Gravity is a law.
I call a lie on your lie. They're all technically theories, because there may always be something else. Scientists know this.

Piotr

Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 07:32:08 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 07:29:35 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:22:26 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?

Evolution is proven by mathematical evolutionary algorithms.
Technically, they're all theories. Gravity is a theory. But you don't see people floating off sidewalks.

I call a lie on this one. Gravity is a law.
I call a lie on your lie. They're all technically theories, because there may always be something else. Scientists know this.

I'm afraid I'll have to ban you for 10 days in this case ;)

http://chemistry.about.com/od/lecturenotesl3/a/sciencemethod.htm

Ekann1



Mlerner12

Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:51:33 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 07:32:08 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 07:29:35 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:22:26 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?

Evolution is proven by mathematical evolutionary algorithms.
Technically, they're all theories. Gravity is a theory. But you don't see people floating off sidewalks.

I call a lie on this one. Gravity is a law.
I call a lie on your lie. They're all technically theories, because there may always be something else. Scientists know this.

I'm afraid I'll have to ban you for 10 days in this case ;)

http://chemistry.about.com/od/lecturenotesl3/a/sciencemethod.htm
I'm afraid that is against iMtG law ;)

Piotr

Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 08:32:26 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:51:33 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 07:32:08 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 07:29:35 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:22:26 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?

Evolution is proven by mathematical evolutionary algorithms.
Technically, they're all theories. Gravity is a theory. But you don't see people floating off sidewalks.

I call a lie on this one. Gravity is a law.
I call a lie on your lie. They're all technically theories, because there may always be something else. Scientists know this.

I'm afraid I'll have to ban you for 10 days in this case ;)

http://chemistry.about.com/od/lecturenotesl3/a/sciencemethod.htm
I'm afraid that is against iMtG law ;)

It would not be, but I decided to forgive you this time ;)

Piotr

Quote from: Sardok on August 04, 2014, 08:22:55 AM
Technically, the issue is still being discussed.

http://onswipe.com/thedailygalaxy/#!/entry/our-understanding-of-gravity-is-fundamentally-wrong-two-conflicting-theories,5277d19a025312186c78fc66

As far as scientific method goes, it is not being discussed at all, the same as with evolution.

Gravity is a law, but you are confused because there are different theories explaining why there is gravity. Gravity is still a law of reality and part of 'logic' on which iMtG Law is based upon.

Mlerner12

Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 08:50:41 AM
Quote from: Sardok on August 04, 2014, 08:22:55 AM
Technically, the issue is still being discussed.

http://onswipe.com/thedailygalaxy/#!/entry/our-understanding-of-gravity-is-fundamentally-wrong-two-conflicting-theories,5277d19a025312186c78fc66

As far as scientific method goes, it is not being discussed at all, the same as with evolution.

Gravity is a law, but you are confused because there are different theories explaining why there is gravity. Gravity is still a law of reality and part of 'logic' on which iMtG Law is based upon.
Yes it is. Check yo self before you riggety wreck yo self.

Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 08:47:36 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 08:32:26 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:51:33 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 07:32:08 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 07:29:35 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:22:26 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?

Evolution is proven by mathematical evolutionary algorithms.
Technically, they're all theories. Gravity is a theory. But you don't see people floating off sidewalks.

I call a lie on this one. Gravity is a law.
I call a lie on your lie. They're all technically theories, because there may always be something else. Scientists know this.

I'm afraid I'll have to ban you for 10 days in this case ;)

http://chemistry.about.com/od/lecturenotesl3/a/sciencemethod.htm
I'm afraid that is against iMtG law ;)

It would not be, but I decided to forgive you this time ;)
Do not do to others what you wouldn't want done to you, remember? I don't want that done to me, obviously. Against iMtG law.
Oh, and that wasn't a lie. I actually believe that for a fact, making it no longer fit the definition of lie.

gtfotis

Taysby, why do you always have to sound like an elitist snob in every topic you contribute to? 😂

There's a law of gravity, but there are also many theories of gravity. The law of gravity tells us how gravity affects things. The theories of gravity are explanations of why gravity affects things.

Mlerner12

Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 10:37:44 AM
*except for punishment.  You violated it first by lying, so he is justified in punishing you.

And mlerner, take a basic science class.  A law is a summary of observed behavior, and a theory is a prediction of what will happen.  I probably didn't define it the best way possible, but whatever.

Gravity is a law because it's a summary of what we have seen and there is not one scrap of evidence to disprove it.
I'm in AP biology next year as an 8th grader, I know basic science.

It's a theory because it's not proven 100%. Scientists are still working on it.

I didn't lie. I actually believe it. It's not a lie and it would be unjustified.