ObamaCare fraud

[Piotr]

And btw it was not the congress which .loved. up Obama care. The logic of reality did. Socialism does not work in reality.

Obama is not forcing socialism on us! And I kindly request you stop referring to iMtG law as the "logic of reality", if I understand you. I'm giving that to the laws of science and math.

So do I, and according to these Obamacare is illegal. What are your definitions of 'property', 'owner' and 'steal'?

According to logic of reality, I am the 'property' of myself as 'owner', true or false?

[Rass]

The can still do good in school and get a scholarship to somewhere good.  Being born in a poor family is no excuse.

Then why is it more people that go to affluent collages come from families that have a good income?

[Rass]

Taysby. I think you do not understand what it is being poor. When someone who is poor and works in high school sometimes there money needs to be spent on food or helping out their family. Not I'm poor so give me a break on these foil magic cards.

[Munchlax]

Businesses don't fire someone so their CEO can make more money.  They do what's best for the company.  If someone is unnecessary, why should they be working for the company's.  And the smart CEOs invest that money back into the company to grow it.

Kinda like if your leg is horribly infected you get it amputated

[Rass]

The can still educate themselves while in high school if they're poor, or get a job during high school to pay for college.  (That would be flipping burgers)

Read and digest it.

~~~~~~~~~>Taysby. I think you do not understand what it is being poor. When someone who is poor and works in high school sometimes there money needs to be spent on food or helping out their family. <~~~~~~~~<

You have never been around real poor people. You CAN NOT just say hey go educate yourself. That option is not always available. I was lucky. Hard work and ~~~>opturnity<~~~~~ I was able to successful.

[Xaol]

The can still educate themselves while in high school if they're poor, or get a job during high school to pay for college.  (That would be flipping burgers)

Read and digest it.

~~~~~~~~~>Taysby. I think you do not understand what it is being poor. When someone who is poor and works in high school sometimes there money needs to be spent on food or helping out their family. <~~~~~~~~<

You have never been around real poor people. You CAN NOT just say hey go educate yourself. That option is not always available. I was lucky. Hard work and ~~~>opturnity<~~~~~ I was able to successful.

It's like arguing with a boulder 😝
He's never going to understand it, I don't think. More's the pity...
100% in agreement with you here Rass.

[NovusOrbis]

I wasn't born into a wealthy family, but I was born into a rich family; a family rich in ideals. My parents worked their whole lives from dirt poor to middle class while raising two children. It's that integral drive that people lack. If poorer people truly want to advance in life, then they will. Of course this is not a garuntee, if you think anything in life that is good is garunteed you need to change your outlook. Anyways, as for myself, I work hard, not because I have to but because I want to succeed. I'm a straight A student with a 4.1 GPA(It will get higher as all of my classes next year are college classes) I run varsity track and cross country and went to state in track last season, do odd jobs around the neighborhood, work on a farm, am an Eagle Scout, traveled/studied abroad in Europe, and am finishing up my applications to the Naval Academy. You can't tell me that all of that was handed to me, because I can damn well tell you it wasn't.There are always hardships and obstacles that you will have to face in life. I work hard because I know that if I don't, I will never succeed. I raised the 10,000 or so dollars to go to Europe, I ran nearly 5 miles everyday so I could be varsity, I study and work diligently so I can be in the top of my class... You don't have to be wealthy to succeed, but you have to be rich, rich in values. When opportunity if put in front of you, seize it my friends...(end rant)
Also, to put this thread back on topic, for my family, we don't get a choice on the coverage obamacare gives us, and it's less than we had before for nearly 80% more that we have to pay, so we didn't sign up(even though you're illegally forced to)

[Piotr]

What if all your community offered as work and advancement was that?

Do what I did. Move :p

[Piotr]

Not everyone grows up a kid educated by a decent education system in the suburbs. You can't blame someone for being born into poverty

I can't blame them for that, but I can blame them for doing nothing to lift themselves, or for forcing others to help them.

[Rass]

Ok this is where you have to go to your basic beliefs. I believe people should be able to get affordable education,housing, and healthcare. This is where it gets really tricky. Affordable to me is different then affordable to others. All three will help out in the long run.

Affordable education. If people are able to get an education they have more options. They will make more educated decisions.

Affordable housing. They will have something that is theirs. Which they will want to take care of. They will be more likely take care of the property if they own it then just rent.

Affordable healthcare. The most expensive part of healthcare is emergency services. People who do not have healthcare have to wait until things get bad before they can get survives. Something that could have been fixed by a doctor visit now is a lot worse and a lot more expensive.

[Spencer Addington]

What about me taysby? I'm on government provided healthcare because my income isn't steady enough or large enough to afford healthcare. I work construction, so if I get hurt I don't make money. If I can't make money and can't afford healthcare when I get hurt I'm very screwed. Obamacare helps...

[Piotr]

Ok this is where you have to go to your basic beliefs.

Splendid, I believe that goal does not justify the means.

In other words, that you cannot do evil* in the name of good without punishment.

* objective evil can be defined as doing to others something which they don't and wouldn't want to be done to themselves, such as killing them, or stealing from them, or extorting money from them, or forcing them to support wars they don't believe in.

[Piotr]

What about me taysby? I'm on government provided healthcare because my income isn't steady enough or large enough to afford healthcare. I work construction, so if I get hurt I don't make money. If I can't make money and can't afford healthcare when I get hurt I'm very screwed. Obamacare helps...

What sort of healthcare are you talking about? {Obamacare} is about sustainability, about stagnation, about technological flatline. In medical services more than in any other business technology matters. Until your medics were free to medic, and insurance companies were free to insure as requested by their free customers, USA had the best medical technology and the progress was much better than it is now. When you get cancer, it doesn't matter if you get {{Obamacare}} or not, you die in any case. What we need is cure for cancer, Alzheimers, a bunch of other, ability to sustain our white cells producing stem-cells, and we can live past 200 on then-current technology. Obamacare will only delay this, and a lot of people will die of 'old age' - which will be seen as curable diseases a few decades later. The more Obamacare, the later, as historical evidence confirms.

[Munchlax]

{Obamacare} links to {Backfire} 😝

[Raiderrob]

What about me taysby? I'm on government provided healthcare because my income isn't steady enough or large enough to afford healthcare. I work construction, so if I get hurt I don't make money. If I can't make money and can't afford healthcare when I get hurt I'm very screwed. Obamacare helps...

There was already assistance in California called medi-cal. It wasn't forced on you, but there for those who needed it. Obama care has only made insurance costs go up and coverage for tons of people who where perfectly content with what the had tone forced into lesser policies and coverages.

My wive's coverage through work used to be FREE, but in the last two years it's went up to 300 a month. They had to charge the employees because their healthcare costs more than doubled in a two year period. My health coverage went up 33% last year and expect that big of an increase or more this year. How is this affordable??

Obamacare has helped a few,but has negatively impacted many. Along with the cost, what about our freedom to choose? Having the choice between buying insurance or being taxed is unamerican.