Obamas impeachment campaign debate

[blackychan1]

There are nine kids in my family. There is already a sort of cap. They fixed that Long ago. The amount tapers with more children.

[Piotr]

Taxes are theft if I don't want to pay it, and i don't want to pay for other's healthcare.

Its called a social contract, and if you dont like it, leave the country.

Oh, so now to add to stealing and extortion you want to force people into exile. Typical socialist, you have no problem at all with doing to people what they do not want done to themselves, don't you? Of course, you would do all this evil only to further the great goal of yours, and Marx's, not just in general, I hope?

[Piotr]

It's still taking it from me without my permission which is theft, even if it's legal.

Actually, it's not.

Under iMtG law, totally illegal.

Were we discussing imtg law?

Piotr sometimes seems to give the impression that imtg law is the only law

Here, it is.

[blackychan1]

It's still taking it from me without my permission which is theft, even if it's legal.

Actually, it's not.

Under iMtG law, totally illegal.

However, if they do not follow iMTG Law, then to them, the Law is irrelevant.

[Piotr]

It's still taking it from me without my permission which is theft, even if it's legal.

Actually, it's not.

Under iMtG law, totally illegal.

However, if they do not follow iMTG Law, then to them, the Law is irrelevant.

If they do not follow iMtG law, they are evil people, true or false?

[blackychan1]

Trick question. To them, they are good. To you, they are evil.

Edit: So I suppose, to answer your question, That true+ false=false.

[Piotr]

Trick question. To them, they are good. To you, they are evil.

Edit: So I suppose, to answer your question, That true+ false=false.

Ok, I see you subscribe to the kind of morality which says that if you steal a cow from me, it is good, but if I steal a cow from you, it is evil?

[blackychan1]

If that I how I choose to see it, then that is what is good or evil to me. That seems to be the way the world works. By individual beliefs, not the beliefs of one person. True or false?

[Piotr]

If that I how I choose to see it, then that is what is good or evil to me. That seems to be the way the world works. By individual beliefs, not the beliefs of one person. True or false?

False. Evil and good are objective, not relative. I'm also a bit disappointed in you taking that view, I would understand if you were a few years younger than Mlerner12, but I guess you are not?

[blackychan1]

If that I how I choose to see it, then that is what is good or evil to me. That seems to be the way the world works. By individual beliefs, not the beliefs of one person. True or false?

False. Evil and good are objective, not relative. I'm also a bit disappointed in you taking that view, I would understand if you were a few years younger than Mlerner12, but I guess you are not?

      I am not. And I see no worldly text that states whether each action I perform daily is good or evil. I see your law, which is not known enough to be such a worldly text. Other than that, I see that good and evil are defined by many different laws and religions.
       I would like for you to enlighten me on how it is objective. Expressing your disappointment in me does not convince me that you are correct. Only by showing me the correct way can you do that.
       You are rather adept at debating, but I feel as if you are not actually trying to debate your side, but only debating against mine.

[Piotr]

If that I how I choose to see it, then that is what is good or evil to me. That seems to be the way the world works. By individual beliefs, not the beliefs of one person. True or false?

False. Evil and good are objective, not relative. I'm also a bit disappointed in you taking that view, I would understand if you were a few years younger than Mlerner12, but I guess you are not?

I am not. And I see no worldly text that states whether each action I perform daily is good or evil. I see your law, which is not known enough to be such a worldly text. Other than that, I see that good and evil are defined by many different laws and religions.

Evil and good as defined by many different religions boil down to Golden Rule: DO NOT DO TO OTHERS WHAT THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO BE DONE TO THEMSELVES. Doing to others what they do not want to be done to themselves is evil (unless you are dealing punishment). This definition of evil is objective, not relative.

[Piotr]

You are rather adept at debating, but I feel as if you are not actually trying to debate your side, but only debating against mine.

Why, thank you. I debate against your view, I do not know nor care about you, and even if I did I would still debate against your view point, this is who I am and how I think.

Having said that, knowing You may help me understand why your point of view is as it is, so do not think that I see no value in that.

[Mlerner12]

You are rather adept at debating, but I feel as if you are not actually trying to debate your side, but only debating against mine.

I do not know nor care about you

Hoo boy

[Rass]

It's still taking it from me without my permission which is theft, even if it's legal.

When you apply for a job you have to fill out tax papers. This you are agreeing to pay taxes. You can choose not to work and you will not need to pay taxes. But all your life you have benefited by previous people paying taxes. Do you drive on the road? Guess what taxes. You go to the park? Taxes.

Taxes are necessary. Corruption and miss management that is a whole other story.

You do not "agree" to pay taxes. You must pay taxes or you will be out into jail. This folks is not called stealing, it is called extortion. BUT, yes, taxes are necessary, I 100% agree. But the government should also have to answer for the money they spend ($30,000 for toilette seats, he'll no, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200). Everyone should have to pay the same tax %, the same, wait, what's that? Nope, the same. Capped for the number of kids you have, oh, you have 8 kids and get back $15,000 in taxes but make $20,000 a year? Here's $5,000 instead, birth control and a budget. Stop having kids for a tax deduction.


Ok, I'm done. Rass, this isn't directed to you a bit man, just wanted to quote about agreeing to pay taxes that's all and ended up on a tangent/rant. Sorry bro.

All good I enjoy the debate. But I have to disagree with you. Look at big business. A lot of them do not pay taxes because they choose to put there operations out side of the USA.  You can also do the same. I'm not saying it's easy but you can do it. So yes when you get a job you have to fill out tax papers. You can choose not to and the company can choose not to hire you. Taxes are part of the cost of doing business in the USA.

[blackychan1]

If that I how I choose to see it, then that is what is good or evil to me. That seems to be the way the world works. By individual beliefs, not the beliefs of one person. True or false?

False. Evil and good are objective, not relative. I'm also a bit disappointed in you taking that view, I would understand if you were a few years younger than Mlerner12, but I guess you are not?

I am not. And I see no worldly text that states whether each action I perform daily is good or evil. I see your law, which is not known enough to be such a worldly text. Other than that, I see that good and evil are defined by many different laws and religions.

Evil and good as defined by many different religions boil down to Golden Rule: DO NOT DO TO OTHERS WHAT THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO BE DONE TO THEMSELVES. Doing to others what they do not want to be done to themselves is evil (unless you are dealing punishment). This definition of evil is objective, not relative.

"Boil down"? There are many more rules in most religions than the golden rule. They also define good and evil to that religion.