Rafiq Derevi

[Stoneco1d869]

Rafiq Derevi 97 cards, 2 sideboard 1 {Rafiq of the Many} 1 {Mystic Gate} 1 {Breeding Pool} 1 {Command Tower} 1 {Flooded Strand} 1 {Windswept Heath} 1 {Flooded Grove} 1 {Hallowed Fountain} 1 {Misty Rainforest} 1 {Temple Garden} 1 {Wooded Bastion} 8 {Forest} 9 {Plains} 8 {Island} 1 {Cathedral of War} 36 lands 1 {Mother of Runes} 1 {Noble Hierarch} 1 {Mistmeadow Skulk} 1 {Cold-Eyed Selkie} 1 {Battlegrace Angel} 1 {Genesis} 1 {Seedborn Muse} 1 {Derevi, Empyrial Tactician} 1 {Roon of the Hidden Realm} 1 {Sovereigns of Lost Alara} 1 {Oracle of Mul Daya} 1 {Prophet of Kruphix} 1 {Skyward Eye Prophets} 1 {Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite} 1 {Murkfiend Liege} 1 {Kruphix, God of Horizons} 1 {Akrasan Squire} 1 {Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir} 1 {Giltspire Avenger} 1 {Rubinia Soulsinger} 1 {Stoic Angel} 1 {Waveskimmer Aven} 1 {Sublime Archangel} 1 {Qasali Pridemage} 1 {Ethercaste Knight} 1 {Deathless Angel} 1 {Knight of Glory} 1 {Frontier Guide} 1 {Glory} 1 {Sigiled Paladin} 30 creatures 1 {Gilded Lotus} 1 {Mirari's Wake} 1 {Survival of the Fittest} 1 {Curse of the Swine} 1 {Savor the Moment} 1 {Hinder} 1 {Angelic Benediction} 1 {Wargate} 1 {Sword of Fire and Ice} 1 {Opposition} 1 {Martyr's Bond} 1 {Shield of the Oversoul} 1 {Mystical Tutor} 1 {Enlightened Tutor} 1 {Lux Cannon} 1 {Aluren} 1 {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} 1 {Spin into Myth} 1 {Leyline of Anticipation} 1 {Rancor} 1 {Green Sun's Zenith} 1 {Finest Hour} 1 {Asceticism} 1 {Triumph of the Hordes} 1 {Mana Reflection} 1 {Abundance} 1 {Spell Crumple} 1 {Retribution of the Meek} 28 other spells Sideboard 1 {Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger} 1 {Treva's Charm} 2 sideboard cards

[Stoneco1d869]

Ok the goal is to be able to switch out Commanders whenever I want, yet still be competitive no matter which I choose.

Got a few slots left and probably could even remove some current selections. Opinions?Thoughts?

[Munchlax]

Well the two generals you want to use have different play styles that go with them so you can't just switch out he general.

[DimirOverlord1300]

Well the two generals you want to use have different play styles that go with them so you can't just switch out he general.

This. Derevi (one of my favs) is an aggro deck that likes lots if dudes to swing with. You want most of your effects to be "on a stick." (ie. {Mystic Snake}). Rafiq is generally exalted or voltron, or some combo of the two. You can't reliably build a deck that will switch between the two without also changing 30-40 cards in the deck.

[Stoneco1d869]

You guys aren't thinking hard enough:) I have it close, but trying to decide if need anything more, ie ramp, creatures, bounce/etb, timewalks, etc.

Right now the deck performs fine but I thought I could maybe tweak it. I do appreciate your opinions though.

[particle]

Well the two generals you want to use have different play styles that go with them so you can't just switch out he general.

This. Derevi (one of my favs) is an aggro deck that likes lots if dudes to swing with. You want most of your effects to be "on a stick." (ie. {Mystic Snake}). Rafiq is generally exalted or voltron, or some combo of the two. You can't reliably build a deck that will switch between the two without also changing 30-40 cards in the deck.

derevi can also be a spectacular prison deck. play {stasis} have tons of mana rocks so lands dont really matter, and keep untapping an island when derevi swings.

[DimirOverlord1300]

Well the two generals you want to use have different play styles that go with them so you can't just switch out he general.

This. Derevi (one of my favs) is an aggro deck that likes lots if dudes to swing with. You want most of your effects to be "on a stick." (ie. {Mystic Snake}). Rafiq is generally exalted or voltron, or some combo of the two. You can't reliably build a deck that will switch between the two without also changing 30-40 cards in the deck.

derevi can also be a spectacular prison deck. play {stasis} have tons of mana rocks so lands dont really matter, and keep untapping an island when derevi swings.

Or SoFaF

[Munchlax]

You guys aren't thinking hard enough:) I have it close, but trying to decide if need anything more, ie ramp, creatures, bounce/etb, timewalks, etc.

Right now the deck performs fine but I thought I could maybe tweak it. I do appreciate your opinions though.

I think you're not looking hard enough. The only real similarities between these two generals is the fact that they are both U/W/G. The play styles that have to go with them are way to different. It's like if I were to swap my general {Heartless Hidgetsuge} for something like {Krenko Mob Boss}. Those generals have completely different play styles. You wouldn't take Melira Pod and replace Melira with {Yeva Nature's Herald}. The deck wouldn't work anymore. What you're trying to do won't work. If you want to choose a general if recommend Rafiq because he voltrons and kills incredibly fast

[Will_Krueger]

You guys aren't thinking hard enough:) I have it close, but trying to decide if need anything more, ie ramp, creatures, bounce/etb, timewalks, etc.

Right now the deck performs fine but I thought I could maybe tweak it. I do appreciate your opinions though.

No, everyone here is thinking hard enough, you're just an idiot.

[Ekann1]

You guys aren't thinking hard enough:) I have it close, but trying to decide if need anything more, ie ramp, creatures, bounce/etb, timewalks, etc.

Right now the deck performs fine but I thought I could maybe tweak it. I do appreciate your opinions though.

No, everyone here is thinking hard enough, you're just an idiot.

Be nice.

[AdamS]

i think it can be done rather easily acctually
all you need is {eon hub} {stasis} and {intruders alarm} and a self bouncing creature like {Ætherling} or {deadeye navigator}to untap your stuff and you can include as much aggro or control as you want for aggro lots of exalt creatures witch would be good with both and  for more of a control feel add {frozen æther} to the other cards with some and some counter spells and you should be set with either as your commander

[Stoneco1d869]

i think it can be done rather easily acctually
all you need is {eon hub} {stasis} and {intruders alarm} and a self bouncing creature like {Ætherling} or {deadeye navigator}to untap your stuff and you can include as much aggro or control as you want for aggro lots of exalt creatures witch would be good with both and  for more of a control feel add {frozen æther} to the other cards with some and some counter spells and you should be set with either as your commander

Thank you, these are the kind of answers I was looking for!

[Stoneco1d869]

You guys aren't thinking hard enough:) I have it close, but trying to decide if need anything more, ie ramp, creatures, bounce/etb, timewalks, etc.

Right now the deck performs fine but I thought I could maybe tweak it. I do appreciate your opinions though.

No, everyone here is thinking hard enough, you're just an idiot.

Obviously not. Both commanders are vastly different, however, the challenge I posted was to be able to run a sufficient deck that could use either. It can be done.

Side note: I have about 10 EDH decks and this is all I play. If I wanted to beat someone down with any deck I could do so.  In this case, however I wanted a deck that could be fun and still able to use different generals incase it got boring for my, or my group to play.

[Will_Krueger]

You guys aren't thinking hard enough:) I have it close, but trying to decide if need anything more, ie ramp, creatures, bounce/etb, timewalks, etc.

Right now the deck performs fine but I thought I could maybe tweak it. I do appreciate your opinions though.

No, everyone here is thinking hard enough, you're just an idiot.

Obviously not. Both commanders are vastly different, however, the challenge I posted was to be able to run a sufficient deck that could use either. It can be done.

Side note: I have about 10 EDH decks and this is all I play. If I wanted to beat someone down with any deck I could do so.  In this case, however I wanted a deck that could be fun and still able to use different generals incase it got boring for my, or my group to play.

Here's the thing, you can have rotating commanders, that's a perfectly fine thing that's done often. Rafiq and Derevi are cards that require vastly different play styles in order to be competitive like you said you want to do, Rafiq decks run loads of equipment and enchantments and absolutely abuse his second ability. Derevi on the other hand, almost never wants to attack alone, people who pilot derevi either have it running as prison or aggro, and in order to make Rafiq competitive, you can't do that have all those little creatures/ prison effects, I mean prison could (maybe) be a sub theme in a Rafiq deck, but you just can't have the two switch places and be competitive either way.