M15 (baseless speculation and spoilers)

Started by Arbitratur, April 15, 2014, 10:15:15 AM

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Anoobass

AoT was only really used for his -2 though.  +1 was used if u wanted to -2 again, lol.  But this jace is just...meh...  No other way to say it.

blackychan1

You know, I was told by many when it was spoiled that Kiora was crap.... Until khans comes out, and we can see how it interacts with the new meta, we can't be so sure... We may just be Surprised....

Anoobass

Tis true, maybe with steadfast he might be a little better.

Forbidyourways

Honestly so far my favorite card is Indulgent Tormentor

Spikepit

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 27, 2014, 01:12:06 AM
I think this is the most apt description of the new Jace that I have found: "Nissa Revane and Tibalt now have company on the island of misfit PWs." This is the first bad Jace ever. The + should at least net a card, the negative is kind of overcosted (it takes 3 turns of durdling to {Disperse}), the ultimate is amazing, but it would be nice if Jace did something while you built him up.
Agreed. Hopefully they can put Jace to rest now.

rarehuntertay

Quote from: Spikepit on June 27, 2014, 05:57:27 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 27, 2014, 01:12:06 AM
I think this is the most apt description of the new Jace that I have found: "Nissa Revane and Tibalt now have company on the island of misfit PWs." This is the first bad Jace ever. The + should at least net a card, the negative is kind of overcosted (it takes 3 turns of durdling to {Disperse}), the ultimate is amazing, but it would be nice if Jace did something while you built him up.
Agreed. Hopefully they can put Jace to rest now.
The best part of this Jace is the ultimate, just because your opponent has no cards in hand...

InfinitiveDivinity

Holy {Sunblade Elf}! Damnit! Now I have to put fetches in my girlfriend's Modern Elf deck. He's like another {Nettle Sentinel}, just less combo-y, but still brings a lot to the table.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Forbidyourways on June 27, 2014, 02:20:35 AM
Honestly so far my favorite card is Indulgent Tormentor
I know right? Monoblack has the most ridiculous curve now:
T1-{Thoughtsieze}
t2-{Brain Maggot}
T3-{Master of the Feast}
T4-{Desecration Demon}
T5-{Indulgent Tormenter} GG?

Silent1236

Just throwing it out there, I kinda like Jace for standard. His +1 is just pseudo scry 2, his -3 is really pretty cool, and his ult is just too much to handle. I really like that he is an answer (in a way) to Elspeth/Kiora if you're having trouble keeping them from ultimating. +1 "filter your next draw" is not as bad as it looks, I don't think. I'll definitely run several of him.

particle

Quote from: Noblellama on June 27, 2014, 12:10:39 PM
That +1 will be a good way to put something in the grave for reanimated I guess...

i think it may be used more as a get rid of the land that i dont need anymore and fix my draws.

cltrn81

Quote from: Noblellama on June 27, 2014, 01:18:46 PM
Also fixed by just getting rid of jace....:)
Lmao so much win in that comment

InfinitiveDivinity

Ob Nixilis seems pretty sweet! Pretty gross in EDH.

Munchlax

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on June 27, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
Ob Nixilis seems pretty sweet! Pretty gross in EDH.
My friend already preordered a foil one for his {Maralen of the Mornsong} EDH

lotrwk

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on June 27, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
Ob Nixilis seems pretty sweet! Pretty gross in EDH.
IMO he's overhyped. EDH is the only thing he's good in. In modern, with ramp, you'll get him out around turn four. If someone needs to use fetches by after that and they're not playing some sort of control, they're doing it wrong*. His second ability is meh, not really overwhelming. He is also easily removed in all formats, and in standard his first ability is only relevant if they reprint fetches (don't get me wrong, I want fetches).

*-I can't think of another reason, correct me if I'm wrong though

Remillo

Quote from: CrackaLacka on June 27, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on June 27, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
Ob Nixilis seems pretty sweet! Pretty gross in EDH.
IMO he's overhyped. EDH is the only thing he's good in. In modern, with ramp, you'll get him out around turn four. If someone needs to use fetches by after that and they're not playing some sort of control, they're doing it wrong*. His second ability is meh, not really overwhelming. He is also easily removed in all formats, and in standard his first ability is only relevant if they reprint fetches (don't get me wrong, I want fetches).

*-I can't think of another reason, correct me if I'm wrong though

Reanimator can get him out faster.  Sure, he's not usually as good of a target as Griselbrand, but is just as effective as Aven Mindcensor against things like Pod.  And unlike Mindcensor, he can close out the game much fast.