What are the most HATED cards?

Started by JordanCirk, April 23, 2014, 01:39:01 PM

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Sparkle Ninja

Quote from: LordJanova on June 01, 2014, 12:55:10 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on June 01, 2014, 04:52:59 AM
Quote from: particle on April 24, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
Quote from: IntoFire on April 24, 2014, 11:44:26 AM
My EDH playgroup hates my {Sapling of Colfenor} + {Worldslayer} combo... I have no idea why...

{mycosynth lattice} + {darksteel forge} + {worldslayer} seems a lot worse.
- {Worldslayer}
+ {Nevinyrral's Disk}

😫
The disk won't hit planeswalkers though. Also, am I a huge a-hole for making a {Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon} voltron EDH?
Yes

LordJanova

Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on June 01, 2014, 01:51:07 PM
Quote from: LordJanova on June 01, 2014, 12:55:10 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on June 01, 2014, 04:52:59 AM
Quote from: particle on April 24, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
Quote from: IntoFire on April 24, 2014, 11:44:26 AM
My EDH playgroup hates my {Sapling of Colfenor} + {Worldslayer} combo... I have no idea why...

{mycosynth lattice} + {darksteel forge} + {worldslayer} seems a lot worse.
- {Worldslayer}
+ {Nevinyrral's Disk}

😫
The disk won't hit planeswalkers though. Also, am I a huge a-hole for making a {Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon} voltron EDH?
Yes
Am I an even bigger a-hole for wanting to put {Tainted Strike} in the deck that way I can piggy back on other peoples creatures to take out opponents I don't think I can beat in multiplayer games?

MuggyWuggy

Only if you throw it on isochron scepter

KILLERBEE

Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on May 31, 2014, 10:06:35 PM
Quote from: KILLERBEE on May 31, 2014, 08:49:48 PM
{silence} on an {isochron sceptre} is my least favourite
{Orim's Chant} is worse
True enough. I'm so out of touch, I forgot about Orims Chant.

Deathstorm

My least fav cards are people that use a general with horsemanship and a ton of buffs

Double-O-Scotch

I HATE {NECROPOTENCE}.

That card has been the bane of my existence since I started playing in Ice Age.  In EDH, with twice as much starting life, it gets supremely OP very quickly. And all the while, I'm praying for an {erase} to top deck and thinking to myself, "hmmmm, it would be a lot easier to draw an {erase} if I had a {necropotence} out.....DAMMIT!"

Stupid {Necropotence}...
😉

Gocougs509

Quote from: ConanEdo on April 24, 2014, 03:01:26 AM
I read an article on this a while back and things generally boil down to a few categories:

1) things that prevent people from playing the game

Hard locks like {{Teferi, Mage of Zhalfhir}} and {{Knowledge Pool}}, {{Stasis}} effects, and pointless MLD. Now, MLD has it's place IMO. People playing greedy mana-based or rampingout 14 lands on turn 5 without fear of repercussions should be punished. But blowing it up without a win con on board is bad.

2) Infinite combos/Turns
No one likes you taking 20 minutes to slowly kill the table with your {{Time Stretch}} + {{Deadeye Navigator}}/{{Archaeomancer}} + {{Fork}} on a {{Isochron Sceptor}}. On the other end of the spectrum, playing a deck with the sole function of killing everyone turn four like {{Ad Nauseum}} decks do is not appropriate for EDH. Go play legacy ANT.

3) Playing unfun/overplayed/overpowered generals
There is a reason people playing a whole list of generals get hated out. This includes:
Azami
Jhoira
Riku
Maelstrom Wanderer
Animar
Maralen
Zhur
Rafiq

4) Things that ignore the fact that you have 40 life.
Basically, any abusable shortcut basedon the fact that you have 40 life instead of twenty. This includes:
{{Magister's Sphinx}}
{{Sorin Markov}}
Any infect
{{Felidar Sovereign}}
{{Serra Ascedant}}
{{Divinity of Pride}}
{{Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant}}
{{Test of Endurance}}

I can tell somone hasn't played against any serious {Uril, the mistalker} edh decks...he makes half of these guys look like childs play. It's not at all uncommon for a Uril draw to be nearly impossible to answer. There are times where the only things that can stop him are either a terminus/hallowed burial, or an overloaded cyclonic rift. The deck is so far from being fun to play against. I really only have it so I can bust it out on those players who get too cocky and start thinking that they're too good to lose ;)

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 03, 2014, 02:19:12 AM
Quote from: ConanEdo on April 24, 2014, 03:01:26 AM
I read an article on this a while back and things generally boil down to a few categories:

1) things that prevent people from playing the game

Hard locks like {{Teferi, Mage of Zhalfhir}} and {{Knowledge Pool}}, {{Stasis}} effects, and pointless MLD. Now, MLD has it's place IMO. People playing greedy mana-based or rampingout 14 lands on turn 5 without fear of repercussions should be punished. But blowing it up without a win con on board is bad.

2) Infinite combos/Turns
No one likes you taking 20 minutes to slowly kill the table with your {{Time Stretch}} + {{Deadeye Navigator}}/{{Archaeomancer}} + {{Fork}} on a {{Isochron Sceptor}}. On the other end of the spectrum, playing a deck with the sole function of killing everyone turn four like {{Ad Nauseum}} decks do is not appropriate for EDH. Go play legacy ANT.

3) Playing unfun/overplayed/overpowered generals
There is a reason people playing a whole list of generals get hated out. This includes:
Azami
Jhoira
Riku
Maelstrom Wanderer
Animar
Maralen
Zhur
Rafiq

4) Things that ignore the fact that you have 40 life.
Basically, any abusable shortcut basedon the fact that you have 40 life instead of twenty. This includes:
{{Magister's Sphinx}}
{{Sorin Markov}}
Any infect
{{Felidar Sovereign}}
{{Serra Ascedant}}
{{Divinity of Pride}}
{{Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant}}
{{Test of Endurance}}

I can tell somone hasn't played against any serious {Uril, the mistalker} edh decks...he makes half of these guys look like childs play. It's not at all uncommon for a Uril draw to be nearly impossible to answer. There are times where the only things that can stop him are either a terminus/hallowed burial, or an overloaded cyclonic rift. The deck is so far from being fun to play against. I really only have it so I can bust it out on those players who get too cocky and start thinking that they're too good to lose ;)
See, I have never understood why Uril is so popular. You would think with 3 other players and the amount of boardwipes and enchantment removal, Uril would just be terrible. I know he would be in my play group, one deck runs {Cyclonic Rift], {Merciless Eviction}, {Supreme Verdict}, {Wrath of God}, {Hallowed Burial}, ect. and more than enough ways to tutor or draw into them.

Gocougs509

^You clearly haven't seen a top tier Uril deck. There are countless ways to make him indestructable (your wrath of god/supreme verdict will rarely be effective) and there are even ways to make his enchantments hexproof (not that destroying one of his many enchantments is ever really relevant anyways). It's easy to drop him on turn 5 and kill someone on turn 6. So hopefully they were able to draw or tutor into that hallowed burial and also get the mana to play it by then.

PrEZchoICE1

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Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 03, 2014, 02:15:11 PM
^You clearly haven't seen a top tier Uril deck. There are countless ways to make him indestructable (your wrath of god/supreme verdict will rarely be effective) and there are even ways to make his enchantments hexproof (not that destroying one of his many enchantments is ever really relevant anyways). It's easy to drop him on turn 5 and kill someone on turn 6. So hopefully they were able to draw or tutor into that hallowed burial and also get the mana to play it by then.

My Derevi deck ate both a top tier Uril deck and a top tier Azami deck back to back in 1v1 games last week.  {Spring Cleaning} protected by {Arcane Denial} seems to get the job done nicely especially if I have enchanted evening out already. Ive seen {Godhead of Awe} help to do nasty things to uril type decks as well.

Double-O-Scotch

1vs1 is significantly different than M-player. Hence why Derevi is banned in French commander (1vs1)

Gocougs509

Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on June 03, 2014, 08:25:23 PM
1vs1 is significantly different than M-player. Hence why Derevi is banned in French commander (1vs1)

That's exactly why I didn't bother to give him a response. That and the fact that I really can't stand people who talk about 1v1 edh like it's an actual format.

DylanW18

Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 03, 2014, 08:40:20 PM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on June 03, 2014, 08:25:23 PM
1vs1 is significantly different than M-player. Hence why Derevi is banned in French commander (1vs1)

That's exactly why I didn't bother to give him a response. That and the fact that I really can't stand people who talk about 1v1 edh like it's an actual format.



It is an actual format... It has it's own ban list and everything...

blackychan1

Isn't deveri banned as a commander in 1 v 1 commander?

Gocougs509

Quote from: ConanEdo on June 04, 2014, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 03, 2014, 02:19:12 AM
Quote from: ConanEdo on April 24, 2014, 03:01:26 AM
I read an article on this a while back and things generally boil down to a few categories:

1) things that prevent people from playing the game

Hard locks like {{Teferi, Mage of Zhalfhir}} and {{Knowledge Pool}}, {{Stasis}} effects, and pointless MLD. Now, MLD has it's place IMO. People playing greedy mana-based or rampingout 14 lands on turn 5 without fear of repercussions should be punished. But blowing it up without a win con on board is bad.

2) Infinite combos/Turns
No one likes you taking 20 minutes to slowly kill the table with your {{Time Stretch}} + {{Deadeye Navigator}}/{{Archaeomancer}} + {{Fork}} on a {{Isochron Sceptor}}. On the other end of the spectrum, playing a deck with the sole function of killing everyone turn four like {{Ad Nauseum}} decks do is not appropriate for EDH. Go play legacy ANT.

3) Playing unfun/overplayed/overpowered generals
There is a reason people playing a whole list of generals get hated out. This includes:
Azami
Jhoira
Riku
Maelstrom Wanderer
Animar
Maralen
Zhur
Rafiq

4) Things that ignore the fact that you have 40 life.
Basically, any abusable shortcut basedon the fact that you have 40 life instead of twenty. This includes:
{{Magister's Sphinx}}
{{Sorin Markov}}
Any infect
{{Felidar Sovereign}}
{{Serra Ascedant}}
{{Divinity of Pride}}
{{Rune-Tail, Kitsune Ascendant}}
{{Test of Endurance}}

I can tell somone hasn't played against any serious {Uril, the mistalker} edh decks...he makes half of these guys look like childs play. It's not at all uncommon for a Uril draw to be nearly impossible to answer. There are times where the only things that can stop him are either a terminus/hallowed burial, or an overloaded cyclonic rift. The deck is so far from being fun to play against. I really only have it so I can bust it out on those players who get too cocky and start thinking that they're too good to lose ;)
Eh, my playgroup usually doesn't have problems with Voltron decks. Too easy to beat. Everyone runs an out and someone will play it:
{{Hallowed Burial}}
{{Teminus}}
{{Living Death}}
{{Merciless Eviction}}
{{Cyclonic Rift}}
Any Edict effect (Gravepact wrecks Voltron)
Any {{Wing Shards}} Effect
And the new {{Council's Judgement}}

Honestly, if you can't handle a Voltron commander, you need to rework your deck.

Honestly, if sacrifice effects work against the voltron decks you've played against, you haven't played against a good voltron deck.