Ponder or Preordain

Started by Anoobass, May 24, 2014, 12:13:19 AM

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cltrn81

Quote from: Falcon182 on May 24, 2014, 10:47:42 PM
Side note: check out  {Portent}... Ponder that let's you do your opponents library at the cost of a delayed draw. Pretty cool though.
Yea I learned about this card a while ago.  I don't understand why it's not used more in legacy.

Remillo

Of Ponder and Preordain, I'll take Ponder, hands down.  You get to dig a little deeper, shuffle if you have to, and have a fresh three cards to look at with your Divining Top.

Though, really, any self-respecting legacy deck playing Blue is going to run SuperPonder, which is Brainstorm + Fetch Lands.

Falcon182

Quote from: cltrn81 on May 25, 2014, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 24, 2014, 10:47:42 PM
Side note: check out  {Portent}... Ponder that let's you do your opponents library at the cost of a delayed draw. Pretty cool though.
Yea I learned about this card a while ago.  I don't understand why it's not used more in legacy.

It's because you don't draw that extra card until the next upkeep. Sometimes you really need that card off ponder immediately. It'd be better at instant for sure.

cltrn81

Quote from: Falcon182 on May 25, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 25, 2014, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 24, 2014, 10:47:42 PM
Side note: check out  {Portent}... Ponder that let's you do your opponents library at the cost of a delayed draw. Pretty cool though.
Yea I learned about this card a while ago.  I don't understand why it's not used more in legacy.

It's because you don't draw that extra card until the next upkeep. Sometimes you really need that card off ponder immediately. It'd be better at instant for sure.
I would use it for evil purposes like messing up my opponents deck but fetch lands almost make that strategy obsolete

Falcon182

Quote from: cltrn81 on May 25, 2014, 12:07:13 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 25, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 25, 2014, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 24, 2014, 10:47:42 PM
Side note: check out  {Portent}... Ponder that let's you do your opponents library at the cost of a delayed draw. Pretty cool though.
Yea I learned about this card a while ago.  I don't understand why it's not used more in legacy.

It's because you don't draw that extra card until the next upkeep. Sometimes you really need that card off ponder immediately. It'd be better at instant for sure.
I would use it for evil purposes like messing up my opponents deck but fetch lands almost make that strategy obsolete

Yeah, it's usually gonna be better to do your own cards but you may occasionally catch someone and make them shuffle away stuff they want.

Rasser

Quote from: Falcon182 on May 25, 2014, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 25, 2014, 12:07:13 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 25, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 25, 2014, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 24, 2014, 10:47:42 PM
Side note: check out  {Portent}... Ponder that let's you do your opponents library at the cost of a delayed draw. Pretty cool though.
Yea I learned about this card a while ago.  I don't understand why it's not used more in legacy.

It's because you don't draw that extra card until the next upkeep. Sometimes you really need that card off ponder immediately. It'd be better at instant for sure.
I would use it for evil purposes like messing up my opponents deck but fetch lands almost make that strategy obsolete

Yeah, it's usually gonna be better to do your own cards but you may occasionally catch someone and make them shuffle away stuff they want.
To bad it's not modern legal, it would go great with  {Archive Trap}.

Remillo

Quote from: Rasser on May 25, 2014, 03:05:00 PM
To bad it's not modern legal, it would go great with  {Archive Trap}.

And for that, we have the abundance of fetch lands and Ghost Quarter, which can only be countered by... Two?  Maybe Three cards in the Modern card pool?

cltrn81

Quote from: Rasser on May 25, 2014, 03:05:00 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 25, 2014, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 25, 2014, 12:07:13 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 25, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 25, 2014, 09:51:56 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on May 24, 2014, 10:47:42 PM
Side note: check out  {Portent}... Ponder that let's you do your opponents library at the cost of a delayed draw. Pretty cool though.
Yea I learned about this card a while ago.  I don't understand why it's not used more in legacy.

It's because you don't draw that extra card until the next upkeep. Sometimes you really need that card off ponder immediately. It'd be better at instant for sure.
I would use it for evil purposes like messing up my opponents deck but fetch lands almost make that strategy obsolete

Yeah, it's usually gonna be better to do your own cards but you may occasionally catch someone and make them shuffle away stuff they want.
To bad it's not modern legal, it would go great with  {Archive Trap}.
Is modern mill really a thing tho?

Rasser

Quote from: Remillo on May 25, 2014, 03:10:18 PM
Quote from: Rasser on May 25, 2014, 03:05:00 PM
To bad it's not modern legal, it would go great with  {Archive Trap}.

And for that, we have the abundance of fetch lands and Ghost Quarter, which can only be countered by... Two?  Maybe Three cards in the Modern card pool?
.poo.! My brain isn't working today! I was thinking that  {Archive Trap} said when an opponent shuffles his library not searches. 😖  doesn't help like I thought. Face/palm!