Ponder or Preordain

[Anoobass]

Simple question, which would you rather use,
{Ponder}
{Preordain}

Go!

I'd much rather preordain,  I'd much rather see 1 less and have the ability to "ship" it, than see something amazing and 2 useless cards and still have to wait the turns to draw them.

[Mattao19]

Why not both!! Lol

But I think I'm with you but I do love Ponder!

[ibtrickey]

I just wish they were modern legal:(

[Mattao19]

I just wish they were modern legal:(

Noooooo! Lol modern would be broken!! Imagine those two with Miracle cards? .... It'd be so overpowered!!!

[rarehuntertay]

I just wish they were modern legal:(

Noooooo! Lol modern would be broken!! Imagine those two with Miracle cards? .... It'd be so overpowered!!!

The only miracle card that the Legacy Miracles deck uses is {Entreat the Angels}.... so I don't know how Modern Miracles would run...

[Millionlittlee]

I just wish they were modern legal:(

Noooooo! Lol modern would be broken!! Imagine those two with Miracle cards? .... It'd be so overpowered!!!

The only miracle card that the Legacy Miracles deck uses is {Entreat the Angels}.... so I don't know how Modern Miracles would run...

They also run the one that puts all creatures to the bottom

[Ekann1]

{Terminus} is the one you're thinking of.

[rarehuntertay]

completely forgot about that one lol

[cltrn81]

I love Scry so I have to say {preordain}.  I used to like {ponder} so much cuz it is very close to {brainstorm} but to be able to put useless land or something else in your top deck that won't help you on the bottom is an awesome tool.  Scry is also better at digging for combos.....ponder may not see your combo card you are digging for with those top three and you still have to draw into those cards.

With that said {ponder} can be just as good with digging if using fetch lands to reset when you don't see what you want inthe top 3

[ihasfrozen]

{Ponder} because it lets you dig deeper. Of course the real answer is C, {Brainstorm}.

As for {Ponder} and/or {Preordain} enabling Miracles in Modern, you would really have to unban Top, not those cards, to enable the deck. The biggest decks that would benefit from Ponder/Preordain would be Combo and Delver strategies.

[Mattao19]

True but think about just Blue decks across the board so man of them use {Serum Visions} if Ponder or Preordained ever got unbanned (which they won't) they will instantly see play instead

[Falcon182]

everyone seems to be forgetting that {ponder} lets you shuffle if you wish...

I was going to point that out. Ponder is better than preordain.

[cltrn81]

everyone seems to be forgetting that {ponder} lets you shuffle if you wish...

Oh yea that's true

[Mattao19]

True tbh I've never played wit either lol

But I have played with c) {Brainstorm} and ... It's unreal!!

[Falcon182]

Side note: check out  {Portent}... Ponder that let's you do your opponents library at the cost of a delayed draw. Pretty cool though.