Esper Mill

Started by Mattao19, May 12, 2014, 07:43:50 PM

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Mattao19

Rest in Peace is a 3 of SB and I have {Surgical extractions to deal with them MB. Not good matchups but best I can do :P

Also how does gravestorm work exactly?

Say I  Archive Trap} them, they mill 13, of which there's 3 land, 4 creatures and 6 instants/Sorceries. Do I get 7 copies of Gravestorm now? Or do I have to destroy a permanent

Mattao19

Ouch! That's dirty!! Ill play test that a bit but right now I'm screwed against burn like I can't beat burn! How do I fix this?

Let line of Sanctity? Is the only thing that I can think of but it'd be a 2 of SB and hard to draw/open with it

Mattao19

Do you think this can be competitive like borderline Tier 1. It's from a list that went 9-2 day 1 in Detroit last year

Mattao19

Quote from: ConanEdo on May 14, 2014, 02:02:12 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 14, 2014, 01:54:30 PM
Do you think this can be competitive like borderline Tier 1. It's from a list that went 9-2 day 1 in Detroit last year
I mean, it's mill. You can have some really awesome games, and then you can have some terrible games. It's really boom/bust and aggro matchups are always going to be a nightmare.

Aggro does Hurt a lot but looking at the top 8 from Minneapolis it's mostly combo or control and I like my odds vs both. Plus {Crypt Incursion} is insane!

Mattao19

I know :( that's why I have verdicts and tbh {Crypt Incursion} wins it for me except that sometimes it's infect damage :(

Phoenix X30

I used this shell for my mill deck too and I can tell you that {snapcaster mage} aren't great in this deck.
{Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} is a really good card to have in the sideboard I've found.

InfinitiveDivinity

Quote from: Phoenix X30 on May 14, 2014, 10:46:24 PM
I used this shell for my mill deck too and I can tell you that {snapcaster mage} aren't great in this deck.
{Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} is a really good card to have in the sideboard I've found.
I don't see how he could possibly be bad?

Mattao19

Quote from: Phoenix X30 on May 14, 2014, 10:46:24 PM
I used this shell for my mill deck too and I can tell you that {snapcaster mage} aren't great in this deck.
{Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} is a really good card to have in the sideboard I've found.

Why Ashiok?

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Mattao19 on May 14, 2014, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on May 14, 2014, 10:46:24 PM
I used this shell for my mill deck too and I can tell you that {snapcaster mage} aren't great in this deck.
{Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} is a really good card to have in the sideboard I've found.

Why Ashiok?
Steal their stuff, or its a three drop, mill three every turn and it you ulti him, you pretty much win. He seems solid.

InfinitiveDivinity

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 19, 2014, 11:59:09 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 14, 2014, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on May 14, 2014, 10:46:24 PM
I used this shell for my mill deck too and I can tell you that {snapcaster mage} aren't great in this deck.
{Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} is a really good card to have in the sideboard I've found.

Why Ashiok?
Steal their stuff, or its a three drop, mill three every turn and it you ulti him, you pretty much win. He seems solid.
I don't see the side tech though. As a mill spell, there are better alternatives. I.E. {Lightning Bolt} is better than {Annihilating Fire}.

Phoenix X30

Aggro is really popular in my group and Ashiok gave me a chance to stall.
Might not work in your meta.
Also about snapcaster. I didn't like cutting 4 cards for him as the deck runs really well without him.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on May 20, 2014, 12:51:23 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 19, 2014, 11:59:09 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on May 14, 2014, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on May 14, 2014, 10:46:24 PM
I used this shell for my mill deck too and I can tell you that {snapcaster mage} aren't great in this deck.
{Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} is a really good card to have in the sideboard I've found.

Why Ashiok?
Steal their stuff, or its a three drop, mill three every turn and it you ulti him, you pretty much win. He seems solid.
I don't see the side tech though. As a mill spell, there are better alternatives. I.E. {Lightning Bolt} is better than {Annihilating Fire}.
But Ashiok gives you more versatility. For example, taking some of pod's creatures after they have been killed could really screw them. {Murderous Redcap} can provide a blocker and destroy combo creature, {Kitchen Finks} can provide lifegain and a blocker and {Orzhov Pontiff} could wipe a board. On the other hand, he could just be a repeated source of milling in a grindy control matchup.

Phoenix X30

Ashiok isn't in the deck for mill. He provides some stability while you mill them.

ibtrickey

If you had all the cards for this what would the deck be?

Mattao19

I do have all the cards for this :P this is my real deck. :D tbh Idk if I'd even bother with glimpses bc {Breaking // Entering} is not as bad as it seems. Because {Shelldock Isle} can be used to cast entering and you can take their creature lol