Should Marijuana be Legal in the USA?

Started by Coffee Vampire, April 27, 2014, 10:44:08 AM

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Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Taysby on April 27, 2014, 12:21:04 PM
I want it to be legalize so we can regulate, tax, and inform people of the consequences of their actions (including no a bunch of other drugs in this category) because when you smoke it, you inhale more carcinogens than in cigaretts (link coming soon, but I do have it)
Incorrect. Studies show that tobacco and marijuana have the same number of carcinogens, but not joints and cigarettes. Joints are usually hand rolled, and add few to no carcinogens to the marijuana (depending on what you use), but cigarettes are processed so that they have rocket fuel and rat poisons in them, adding a ridiculous amount of carcinogens.

Distriimuir

Not when you use sources that are biased. ;) look up granny stormcrows medical marijuana list. You'll see how wrong you truly are.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

If marijuana if so bad, why are there 0 deaths attributed to marijuana EVER (source:http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Causes_of_Death#sthash.dgHcRaV4.dpbs). Yet, Alcohol kills 1 person every 10 seconds (Source: Time Magazine) and tobacco kills someone every minute...in the United States alone (source: CDC) 'Nuf said, I think we can stop this bull about marijuana being "harmful".

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Your Sources:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/marijuana/evidence/hrb-20059701
Gives marijuana a B and C on everything, which means helpful or we don't see an effect. Neither of which prove marijuana is dangerous, in fact does the opposite.

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)00021-8/fulltext
Ok, this one says there is some correlation with mental disorders if smoked before 16, but says that even skeptics of medical marijuana don't argue that it is bad, only that it doesn't do much as a medicine.

http://www-cgi.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/GA/00014.html
This one finally supports your position, but even the adverse effects it lists aren't that bad: Increased risk of heart attack, Heightened risk of chronic cough and respiratory infections, and Potential for hallucinations and withdrawal symptoms. Notice, it says increased, but doesn't actually give values for how much more likely, indicating that the increase isn't that high. Also, this is one source, the first two basically said marijuana had no adverse effects.

http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/ReferenceDetailsPage/ReferenceDetailsWindow?displayGroupName=Reference&action=e&windowstate=normal&catId=GALE%7C00000000LVXO&documentId=GALE%7CPC3021900106&mode=view&userGroupName=p1841&jsid=078d40d7bbe0401ed25e9fe4ef60263f This again points to increased risks, but also lists benefits of marijuana. The article also helps to refute itself and the one above saying, "The Washington Post, stated that there was 'no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect.'"

The lesson is, marijuana isn't that bad, but people capitalize on a few studies that say it is, despite all of the other information there is out there. Oh, and even the president agrees with me, when he said marijuana isn't as dangerous as alcohol: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/20/health/marijuana-versus-alcohol/

Oh, and here is article about 33 studies that found marijuana to be a safe and effective drug: http://www.mpp.org/states/washington/press-releases/33-us-clinical-studies-show.html

Lastly, when you think about the few adverse effects of marijuana, read the label on one of your prescription drugs and you will find that there are worse things on that bottle than are on the labels for cannabis.

Spencer Addington

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 12, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
Your Sources:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/marijuana/evidence/hrb-20059701
Gives marijuana a B and C on everything, which means helpful or we don't see an effect. Neither of which prove marijuana is dangerous, in fact does the opposite.

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)00021-8/fulltext
Ok, this one says there is some correlation with mental disorders if smoked before 16, but says that even skeptics of medical marijuana don't argue that it is bad, only that it doesn't do much as a medicine.

http://www-cgi.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/GA/00014.html
This one finally supports your position, but even the adverse effects it lists aren't that bad: Increased risk of heart attack, Heightened risk of chronic cough and respiratory infections, and Potential for hallucinations and withdrawal symptoms. Notice, it says increased, but doesn't actually give values for how much more likely, indicating that the increase isn't that high. Also, this is one source, the first two basically said marijuana had no adverse effects.

http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/ReferenceDetailsPage/ReferenceDetailsWindow?displayGroupName=Reference&action=e&windowstate=normal&catId=GALE%7C00000000LVXO&documentId=GALE%7CPC3021900106&mode=view&userGroupName=p1841&jsid=078d40d7bbe0401ed25e9fe4ef60263f This again points to increased risks, but also lists benefits of marijuana. The article also helps to refute itself and the one above saying, "The Washington Post, stated that there was 'no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect.'"

The lesson is, marijuana isn't that bad, but people capitalize on a few studies that say it is, despite all of the other information there is out there. Oh, and even the president agrees with me, when he said marijuana isn't as dangerous as alcohol: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/20/health/marijuana-versus-alcohol/

Oh, and here is article about 33 studies that found marijuana to be a safe and effective drug: http://www.mpp.org/states/washington/press-releases/33-us-clinical-studies-show.html

Lastly, when you think about the few adverse effects of marijuana, read the label on one of your prescription drugs and you will find that there are worse things on that bottle than are on the labels for cannabis.
Agrus, you Greek god you. You did what others could not. You provided links for the cause when everyone else was just to damn lazy. My hat's off to you good sir.

MuggyWuggy

Why should you determine what people smoke?
I just see your argument against smoking it as the same thing as arguing against smoking cigs.


Spencer Addington

Quote from: Taysby on May 12, 2014, 10:51:59 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on May 12, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
Your Sources:
http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/marijuana/evidence/hrb-20059701
Gives marijuana a B and C on everything, which means helpful or we don't see an effect. Neither of which prove marijuana is dangerous, in fact does the opposite.

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)00021-8/fulltext
Ok, this one says there is some correlation with mental disorders if smoked before 16, but says that even skeptics of medical marijuana don't argue that it is bad, only that it doesn't do much as a medicine.

http://www-cgi.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/GA/00014.html
This one finally supports your position, but even the adverse effects it lists aren't that bad: Increased risk of heart attack, Heightened risk of chronic cough and respiratory infections, and Potential for hallucinations and withdrawal symptoms. Notice, it says increased, but doesn't actually give values for how much more likely, indicating that the increase isn't that high. Also, this is one source, the first two basically said marijuana had no adverse effects.

http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/ReferenceDetailsPage/ReferenceDetailsWindow?displayGroupName=Reference&action=e&windowstate=normal&catId=GALE%7C00000000LVXO&documentId=GALE%7CPC3021900106&mode=view&userGroupName=p1841&jsid=078d40d7bbe0401ed25e9fe4ef60263f This again points to increased risks, but also lists benefits of marijuana. The article also helps to refute itself and the one above saying, "The Washington Post, stated that there was 'no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect.'"

The lesson is, marijuana isn't that bad, but people capitalize on a few studies that say it is, despite all of the other information there is out there. Oh, and even the president agrees with me, when he said marijuana isn't as dangerous as alcohol: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/20/health/marijuana-versus-alcohol/

Oh, and here is article about 33 studies that found marijuana to be a safe and effective drug: http://www.mpp.org/states/washington/press-releases/33-us-clinical-studies-show.html

Lastly, when you think about the few adverse effects of marijuana, read the label on one of your prescription drugs and you will find that there are worse things on that bottle than are on the labels for cannabis.

There were assorted paragraphs that said that "it has more carcinogens" in all of them, and FINALLY people see that I recognize marajuana has medical benefits!  I just don't want people to smoke it!  And thanks for providing a link!  You have done the impossible!  I'll check it out soon.  Thanks!
So taysby, should weed be legal?

Spencer Addington

Quote from: Taysby on May 13, 2014, 09:18:38 AM
Those were all taken from this thread.  One might think I want it to be legalized.
I think we all know I'm too lazy to remember things taysby. I don't need your sass ;)

Aladormax

I would assume then that the past few pages of discussion than are simply all of us trying to explain that we all agree that pot should be legal. What we do with said legal pot is the argument, but that is out of our hands.

MuggyWuggy

Legal pot is doing well in Colorado

Source: google pot Colorado tax

particle

Quote from: Muggywuggy on May 13, 2014, 11:47:47 AM
Legal pot is doing well in Colorado

Source: google pot Colorado tax

lol at source being google something. and any explanation on what "doing well" means? i live in colorado and support widespread legalization, but i still think this post was pretty silly.

MuggyWuggy

Well did you google that?

I just did and it linked for articles stating large tax revenues of about $20 million for march

Another article I've read recently stated crime hasn't grown even though it was predicted it would happen.

I would say that is doing well

Spencer Addington

Quote from: Taysby on May 13, 2014, 11:40:38 PM
There has been a dramatic increase in fires and explosions.  Why?  People are trying to make hash which requires a lot of petroleum products and flames.  So the marajuana indirectly has injured/killed multiple people.
That's a silly argument. Ferbreeze has indirectly hurt people too. Have you every sprayed that stuff in the air then walk through it? It's like acid in the eyes!

MuggyWuggy

They should have gotten a bhogart

BHOgart.com


Piotr

Quote from: Taysby on May 13, 2014, 11:40:38 PM
There has been a dramatic increase in fires and explosions.  Why?  People are trying to make hash which requires a lot of petroleum products and flames.  So the marajuana indirectly has injured/killed multiple people.

There is no such thing as indirect harm, using this logic we can blame God for setting the rules wrong :p