M15 (baseless speculation and spoilers)

[FustyDavorite]

I say it goes he starts at 5, +1, -2, -8, {1}{G}{G}{B}

[PrEZchoICE1]

I say it goes he starts at 5, +1, -2, -8, {1}{G}{G}{B}

Great minds think alike
Id plus if I could.

[FustyDavorite]

I say it goes he starts at 5, +1, -2, -8, {1}{G}{G}{B}

Great minds think alike
Id plus if I could.

just for the thought.. +1

[PrEZchoICE1]

I say it goes he starts at 5, +1, -2, -8, {1}{G}{G}{B}

Great minds think alike
Id plus if I could.

just for the thought.. +1

Haha thanks. :-)

[Sparkle Ninja]

Has wizards ever released a multicolor planeswalker in the key sets though? They've always been monocolored havent they?

{Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}

[PrEZchoICE1]

Why are we even discussing this?  It doesn't matter!  And ult on turn 7 is no good.  Start him at 3.

Problem is at 3 hes open to all kinds of instant type lethal damage. Make him 4 at the lowest imo but I think 5 is the right number.

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

We don't need another Garruk. Too many recently.  Let another green planeswalker see play in core, then leave green alone.  Garruk Relentless; Garruk Primal Hunter; Vraska; Domri; M14 Garruk; Xeganos; Kiora; Ajani.

Leave green walkers alone for awhile please wizards. Maybe have a RB, WR, colorless, Esper, Dega, Grixis, American, there is a pool of walker suggestions to explore, DO SO!

[DylanW18]

We don't need another Garruk. Too many recently.  Let another green planeswalker see play in core, then leave green alone.  Garruk Relentless; Garruk Primal Hunter; Vraska; Domri; M14 Garruk; Xeganos; Kiora; Ajani.

Leave green walkers alone for awhile please wizards. Maybe have a RB, WR, colorless, Esper, Dega, Grixis, American, there is a pool of walker suggestions to explore, DO SO!

Garruk is the face of m15, we are almost positively getting a new one, especially because Liliana and Nissa have been confirmed for the set, those are our B and G walkers, so Garruk is either Golgari or colorless

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

I know, I just wanted to rant a little bit.  So much green, so little time.

[PrEZchoICE1]

Has wizards ever released a multicolor planeswalker in the key sets though? They've always been monocolored havent they?

{Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}

Bolas isnt from a keyset tho. When I say key set I mean Alpha-M14

[Sparkle Ninja]

Has wizards ever released a multicolor planeswalker in the key sets though? They've always been monocolored havent they?

{Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}

Bolas isnt from a keyset tho. When I say key set I mean Alpha-M14

He was in M13

[PrEZchoICE1]

Has wizards ever released a multicolor planeswalker in the key sets though? They've always been monocolored havent they?

{Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker}

Bolas isnt from a keyset tho. When I say key set I mean Alpha-M14

He was in M13

Agreed but that was a reprint not a first run.

[PrEZchoICE1]

Why are we even discussing this?  It doesn't matter!  And ult on turn 7 is no good.  Start him at 3.

Problem is at 3 hes open to all kinds of instant type lethal damage. Make him 4 at the lowest imo but I think 5 is the right number.

Annnnd... Your point is?  We don't want him to be indestructible.

He isnt indestructible at 5. Still lots of options to rid him, {Hero's Downfall} being the easiest. While we may not want him complete OP, we also don't want him to be {Roc of Kher Ridges}. A balance can be struck. Personally Id like to see any color combo other than WUG or BG for the next run of walkers, but since the speculation was already there I thought Id play along.

[DylanW18]

When are real spoilers supposed to start for this set?


Also, looking at the plushies artwork, it appears Jace is {Jace Beleren}. Since his hood is up it makes me think that, although {Jace Architect of Thought} is still a possibility. With 3 print runs of {Jace Memory Adept} , and how the plushies don't show emo hair, I'd say he's out (thank god). Also JtMS is impossible so need discussing it

Ajani will be {Ajani Caller of the Pride}. This is because since we just got {Ajani, Mentor of Heroes}, we won't get a new Ajani, and reprinting {Ajani Goldmane} would put 3 different Ajani's together. That's pretty much a guaranteed no go

I would be shocked if Chandra isn't {Chandra Pyromaster}. She's the only viable Chandra and has been very well received, and I'm sure she will see 3 prints in consecutive core sets, thanks Wizards for a viable red Walker

Now for the more interesting ones

Nissa will be getting a re vamp. {Nissa Revane} was not well received, and considered one of the worst Walkers to date, behind Tibalt and Liliana of the Dark Realms. It's interesting though that we are getting a strongly oriented Elf Walker after a virtually no elf standard (lookin at you {Elvish Mystic}). It would feel odd to get her and Huey has no elves either, she would be out of place a bit, so I think we can expect some elves in Huey. Anyways, new Nissa!

Ahh we reached Liliana. So I looked at her plushie, and realized it was {Liliana of the Dark Realms} and {Liliana Vess}'s attire, not {Liliana of the Veil}. Does that mean we could still get LotV? Sure, just like Jace could be AoT, MA, or Beleren. But judging how they pulled her from m14, I'm starting to really feel we won't see LotV. LotDR is awful, and Wizards knows it. And personally, {Liliana Vess} would be very, VERY unhealthy for current standard. Like, Thragtusk bad. Here's why:

Mono black searches for consecutive Gray Merchants

Esper searches for Elspeths or Ætherling or Sphinx's Revelation

That's not okay people. So Vess doesn't work either.

Now, with Waste Not coming out, MaRo said Wizards will give it love, because they don't wanna make a community card only to not print things that make it suck. If we got no discard in that set, it would be a bust. So they will be printing good discard. So here's my thoughts

Either we are getting LotV, or a new Liliana, since there are only 3


Garruk. Being the face of the set, he will definitely get some love. Now, with m13's Nicol Bolas, the first gold card in core sets, we see him as the villain. It appears that it's not too far fetched to see Garruk, m15s villain, as Gold. Some speculate colorless, and that's decently possible, but Golgari just seems better fitting. He won't be mono colored though, as we already have the 5 mono colors


P.S I'm 98% sure no fetchlands

[DylanW18]

Also JtMS is impossible so need discussing it

Nissa will be getting a re vamp. {Nissa Revane} was not well received, and considered one of the worst Walkers to date

Mono black searches for consecutive Gray merchants.
That's not okay people. So Vess doesn't work either.

He's still banned in modern, so why is that?

Nissa?  Bad?  What planet are you from?

Why is that bad?  (Coming from a mono black player).

I'm curious why you think Nissa is good?