M15 (baseless speculation and spoilers)

Started by Arbitratur, April 15, 2014, 10:15:15 AM

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FustyDavorite

I would really like to see suspend return. I love suspend.

MisterJH



PrEZchoICE1

I'd love to see transmute back- perhaps with some different mono or multicolored options.

DylanW18

I seriously hope (and I know I'm gonna get .poo. for this) but that we get back {Liliana of the Veil}. I would love her in my BUG deck. And for a Golgari Garruk as well. Here's something that I'd want from Garruk

Garruk, the Corrupted           {G}{G}{B}{B}

Planeswalker - Garruk

+2 Put a 2/2 Green and Black Wolf creature token onto the battlefield

-2 Sacrifice a creature, destroy target nonland permanent

-8 You get an Emblem with "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may destroy target nonland permanent, if you do, return it to the battlefield under your control. It gains haste"

3

Yuh

FustyDavorite

Quote from: DylanW18 on May 05, 2014, 04:58:45 AM
I seriously hope (and I know I'm gonna get .poo. for this) but that we get back {Liliana of the Veil}. I would love her in my BUG deck. And for a Golgari Garruk as well. Here's something that I'd want from Garruk

Garruk, the Corrupted           {G}{G}{B}{B}

Planeswalker - Garruk

+2 Put a 2/2 Green and Black Wolf creature token onto the battlefield

-2 Sacrifice a creature, destroy target nonland permanent

-8 You get an Emblem with "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may destroy target nonland permanent, if you do, return it to the battlefield under your control. It gains haste"

3

Yuh
I forreal like this. I just think he's a bit too mana specific. It'd probably be more like {2}{B}{G}

Coffee Vampire

They already made a corrupted version of Garruk: {Garruk, the Veil-Cursed}. So not too likely. I like the design though. Very powerful, and cool.

rarehuntertay

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on May 05, 2014, 12:01:22 PM
They already made a corrupted version of Garruk: {Garruk, the Veil-Cursed}. So not too likely. I like the design though. Very powerful, and cool.

From what I've read on the mothership, garruk in m15 is going to be more corrupted than as Veil-Cursed

FustyDavorite

Quote from: rarehuntertay on May 05, 2014, 12:05:04 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on May 05, 2014, 12:01:22 PM
They already made a corrupted version of Garruk: {Garruk, the Veil-Cursed}. So not too likely. I like the design though. Very powerful, and cool.

From what I've read on the mothership, garruk in m15 is going to be more corrupted than as Veil-Cursed
I heard this is well. As far as the lore is concerned, Garruk is continuing to be affected by the veil whatever it is Liliana got on him (that's a very rough paraphrasing)

Spencer Addington

They now have 4 of each original planeswalker. Do you think they'll keep printing them?

imthelolrus

Quote from: Spencer Addington on May 05, 2014, 12:21:20 PM
They now have 4 of each original planeswalker. Do you think they'll keep printing them?
Yeah, they're all mascots at this point and every player seems to have a favorite or preference.

DylanW18

Quote from: Taysby on May 05, 2014, 11:42:20 AM
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 05, 2014, 11:02:35 AM
Quote from: DylanW18 on May 05, 2014, 04:58:45 AM
I seriously hope (and I know I'm gonna get .poo. for this) but that we get back {Liliana of the Veil}. I would love her in my BUG deck. And for a Golgari Garruk as well. Here's something that I'd want from Garruk

Garruk, the Corrupted           {G}{G}{B}{B}

Planeswalker - Garruk

+2 Put a 2/2 Green and Black Wolf creature token onto the battlefield

-2 Sacrifice a creature, destroy target nonland permanent

-8 You get an Emblem with "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may destroy target nonland permanent, if you do, return it to the battlefield under your control. It gains haste"

3

Yuh
I forreal like this. I just think he's a bit too mana specific. It'd probably be more like {2}{B}{G}

He would never happen.  All he does is defend himself while giving you dudes in the process, and the ultimate just wins the game.  Maby at 5.


There's very few ultimate a that don't win the game. Lists of ones that do

Venser (even more powerful than this ult)
LotV
JtMS
Kiora
Tamiyo usually
Domri
Etc.

As for the +1, {Garruk Primal Hunter} was 1 more CMC and made 3/3's every turn. This Garruk makes 2/2's, at 1 less, but you must be playing GBx to play him, so he's restrictive. In addition, the tokens are GB so giving it 2 colors makes it easier to have Protection from. His minus is a nerfed {Vraska the Unseen}, and you must have a creature to sac if you wanna blow something up. His ult is like {Venser the Soujoners} but not as broken and it won't even do anything until your next turn. I'd say he's well balanced

DylanW18

Quote from: Taysby on May 05, 2014, 05:14:16 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on May 05, 2014, 01:02:38 PM
Quote from: Taysby on May 05, 2014, 11:42:20 AM
Quote from: FustyDavorite on May 05, 2014, 11:02:35 AM
Quote from: DylanW18 on May 05, 2014, 04:58:45 AM
I seriously hope (and I know I'm gonna get .poo. for this) but that we get back {Liliana of the Veil}. I would love her in my BUG deck. And for a Golgari Garruk as well. Here's something that I'd want from Garruk

Garruk, the Corrupted           {G}{G}{B}{B}

Planeswalker - Garruk

+2 Put a 2/2 Green and Black Wolf creature token onto the battlefield

-2 Sacrifice a creature, destroy target nonland permanent

-8 You get an Emblem with "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may destroy target nonland permanent, if you do, return it to the battlefield under your control. It gains haste"

3

Yuh
I forreal like this. I just think he's a bit too mana specific. It'd probably be more like {2}{B}{G}

He would never happen.  All he does is defend himself while giving you dudes in the process, and the ultimate just wins the game.  Maby at 5.


There's very few ultimate a that don't win the game. Lists of ones that do

Venser (even more powerful than this ult)
LotV
JtMS
Kiora
Tamiyo usually
Domri
Etc.

As for the +1, {Garruk Primal Hunter} was 1 more CMC and made 3/3's every turn. This Garruk makes 2/2's, at 1 less, but you must be playing GBx to play him, so he's restrictive. In addition, the tokens are GB so giving it 2 colors makes it easier to have Protection from. His minus is a nerfed {Vraska the Unseen}, and you must have a creature to sac if you wanna blow something up. His ult is like {Venser the Soujoners} but not as broken and it won't even do anything until your next turn. I'd say he's well balanced

Lilly and domri don't win the game, but they make it easier to win.

I didn't read the sac a dude part.

If it was +1, then it'd be a thing.  +2 is a little ridiculous.  Ult him 4 turns later and he's still alive? That wouldn't fly.

Other than that he seems good.


You do have a point about the +2. I think I'd be comfortable if he was a 5CMC, like {1}{G}{G}{B}{B}, or {2}{G}{B}{B} or {3}{B}{G}, would that fix him?

PrEZchoICE1

If he was a +1 starting at 5 with that ult he would be fair. Id guess his cmc would have to include some combo with {G}{G}

PrEZchoICE1

Has wizards ever released a multicolor planeswalker in the key sets though? They've always been monocolored havent they?