The thread in which you discuss Obama and current American .politics. ...

[DrEggman789]

The American Journal of Public Health has released a study which shows that the idea of gun ownership leading to decreased crime rates is false: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409?journalCode=ajph&

As does the KFF: http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/

And numerous FBI reports: http://m.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/236

I agree that this conversation isn't getting anywhere, however. As I see it, guns are weapons which make victims out of our entire society by putting is all at higher risk of dying by homicide. More often than not, the citizens who we hope will defend people from murderers don't (can you name any mass shooters stopped by an armed citizen?).

In this post, he stated, "The American Journal of Public Health has released a study which shows that the idea of gun ownership leading to decreased crime rates is false." This does not mean he claimed causation. The pro-gun advocates in this thread were purporting that owning a weapon can prevent someone from being a victim of crime. He refuted that claim with a study that shows states that have high gun ownership also have high crime rates. This statement is true, based on the three sources he listed. Yet, he received a warning.

False! While it may seem like it would help a woman defend herself, a woman is thrice as likely to be murdered by her intimate acquaintance if she owns a gun than if she doesn't. Intimate partners kill by far more women than strangers (16x more). http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2012.pdf

Rates of forcible rape are also highest in states with the most guns and least gun control:  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.pdf

In this post, he also stated facts, and backed them up with sources as well.

Funnily enough, the one opinion he stated in either of these posts, he prefaced with "As I see it," which designates the statement that followed was an opinion.


In both of these posts, he posted studies that show data, which he based his statements off of. This is a ban-worthy offense, apparently.


We really shouldn't be having this conversation here. We should be having it in abstract's trial. Oh wait...

[Ekann1]

We really shouldn't be having this conversation here. We should be having it in abstract's trial. Oh wait...

I wasn't going to say anything on this topic because I didn't feel like it would be very helpful, but I have to say that I really agree with DrEggman here. I don't think this was fair at all.

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

What's with all the negative auras man?  It's feeling very hostile on this thread.

I think the only way to fix it, is by holding hands and singing KumBiYah

[DrEggman789]

I really didn't mean to be hostile. I was just trying to defend abstract. But I'm done. Piotr owns this and doesn't (and shouldn't) care what a newbie says.

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

No I think you misunderstood, I'm a lover, not a fight (well not all the time).  Wasn't a comment specifically addressed at you.

[MuggyWuggy]

.politics., dog.

[Apathy Reactor]

We really shouldn't be having this conversation here. We should be having it in abstract's trial. Oh wait...

I wasn't going to say anything on this topic because I didn't feel like it would be very helpful, but I have to say that I really agree with DrEggman here. I don't think this was fair at all.

Priotr doesn't do fair. He does his version of the the truth and banhammer if you have the audacity to have a differing opinion.

possibly true, but surely you gents must remember, it is his forum, and fair or not he can banhammer whoever he wants. im not saying i agree that the banning was fair, but its his house and his rules...

[Sparkle Ninja]

We really shouldn't be having this conversation here. We should be having it in abstract's trial. Oh wait...

I wasn't going to say anything on this topic because I didn't feel like it would be very helpful, but I have to say that I really agree with DrEggman here. I don't think this was fair at all.

Priotr doesn't do fair. He does his version of the the truth and banhammer if you have the audacity to have a differing opinion.

possibly true, but surely you gents must remember, it is his forum, and fair or not he can banhammer whoever he wants. im not saying i agree that the banning was fair, but its his house and his rules...

But even in your own house you have guests. You have discussions, and if things don't go in your favour it's not like you flip the table and tell them to leave. That's what four year olds do. What he did was irrational and wrong. It may be his forum, but we are not his to rule over. If he wants to ban people at least make it a good reason.

[Apathy Reactor]

We really shouldn't be having this conversation here. We should be having it in abstract's trial. Oh wait...

I wasn't going to say anything on this topic because I didn't feel like it would be very helpful, but I have to say that I really agree with DrEggman here. I don't think this was fair at all.

Priotr doesn't do fair. He does his version of the the truth and banhammer if you have the audacity to have a differing opinion.

possibly true, but surely you gents must remember, it is his forum, and fair or not he can banhammer whoever he wants. im not saying i agree that the banning was fair, but its his house and his rules...

But even in your own house you have guests. You have discussions, and if things don't go in your favour it's not like you flip the table and tell them to leave. That's what four year olds do. What he did was irrational and wrong. It may be his forum, but we are not his to rule over. If he wants to ban people at least make it a good reason.

all too true, im afraid. i disagree with his decision but i won't fuss about it because it would be of no use and persuade no one. ill just keep using this app because i love it and i just hope Piotr is less rash in his decisions to ban users in the future.

[Skyshadow731]

Did piotr really do that wow. No offense but that is like a 6 year old child. .politics. is a very touchy subject so if you get involved to blow up. And yes there are people who buy guns for no opparent reason and its not lieing if he has evidence so in my opinon and if he doesnt like it than im sorry but act your age not like a little kid. Rant done.

[MuggyWuggy]

Trap thread is trap thread.