Ponder this...

[ChrisRodriguez]

{Ponder} isn't banned/restricted in all formats because it is broken. It is banned becuse it sets up combos. You guys are taken ponder to be good for the wrong reasons. We don't have {Kiki Jiki, Mirror Breaker} with {Deciever Exarch} or {Entomb}, what we have are miracles, which unlike {Reanimate} lose a lot of value when in hand.

TL;DR people confusing Ponder for {Brainstorm}

Thank you! That's what I was trying to say.

[loop-s-pool]

{Ponder} is decent, but people are forgetting that you're only looking at the top 3 cards of the library.

What? Would you rather see the top 12? Or maybe the top 20? You're right this card is terrible, no wonder it's banned in extended! That's why {demonic tutor} sucks, cuz it only let's you find one card! And {Primeval Titan} only let's you get 2 lands? Geez, they should take the game back to the drawing board.

First of all Straw Man Fallacy, and second of all make a deck that runs 4 {Temporal Mastery} and 4 {Ponder}s tell me how many times you got the combo going. Then of those times you got the combo going tell me how many times it was a legitamitely game changer, turn 2 temporal mastery helps but that is your only turn 2 move. If you're playing control, it's about as useful as a {Rampant Growth}.

[SirMychal]

{Ponder} isn't banned/restricted in all formats because it is broken. It is banned becuse it sets up combos. You guys are taken ponder to be good for the wrong reasons. We don't have {Kiki Jiki, Mirror Breaker} with {Deciever Exarch} or {Entomb}, what we have are miracles, which unlike {Reanimate} lose a lot of value when in hand.

TL;DR people confusing Ponder for {Brainstorm}

Miracles were just a side note, look at the top decks, ponder is in a vast majority of them and for good reason, the debate wasn't why it's restricted. People were saying it was overrated which is ridiculous. The speed this card provides is amazing. You mention good combos, however control of the game wins tournaments. {Ponder}'s diversity is what also makes it killer, it can fit into any deck by splashing blue. Kiki isnt as versatile.

[BlackJester]

Some heated debate!  I havent seen this much dispute since Appleguru.

I think much of {Ponder}'s popularity of late is its fixing Delver and for control. I agree it's a strong card, but I don't think it's back-breaking in the environment.

[1337m00nm4n]

Some heated debate!  I havent seen this much dispute since Appleguru.

I think much of {Ponder}'s popularity of late is its fixing Delver and for control. I agree it's a strong card, but I don't think it's back-breaking in the environment.

What's appleguru?

[loop-s-pool]

Some heated debate!  I havent seen this much dispute since Appleguru.

I think much of {Ponder}'s popularity of late is its fixing Delver and for control. I agree it's a strong card, but I don't think it's back-breaking in the environment.

What's appleguru?

💩

[1337m00nm4n]

Some heated debate!  I havent seen this much dispute since Appleguru.

I think much of {Ponder}'s popularity of late is its fixing Delver and for control. I agree it's a strong card, but I don't think it's back-breaking in the environment.

What's appleguru?

💩

Wait, I know now!
http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php/topic,1645.msg11716.html#msg11716

http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php/topic,998.msg6174.html#msg6174

[1337m00nm4n]

{Ponder} isn't banned/restricted in all formats because it is broken. It is banned becuse it sets up combos. You guys are taken ponder to be good for the wrong reasons. We don't have {Kiki Jiki, Mirror Breaker} with {Deciever Exarch} or {Entomb}, what we have are miracles, which unlike {Reanimate} lose a lot of value when in hand.

TL;DR people confusing Ponder for {Brainstorm}

I concur.

^This

[loop-s-pool]

{Ponder} isn't banned/restricted in all formats because it is broken. It is banned becuse it sets up combos. You guys are taken ponder to be good for the wrong reasons. We don't have {Kiki Jiki, Mirror Breaker} with {Deciever Exarch} or {Entomb}, what we have are miracles, which unlike {Reanimate} lose a lot of value when in hand.

TL;DR people confusing Ponder for {Brainstorm}

I concur.

^This

Please do go on and provide a rebuttal.

[Jake, Fart Sculptor]

{Ponder} is decent, but people are forgetting that you're only looking at the top 3 cards of the library.

What? Would you rather see the top 12? Or maybe the top 20? You're right this card is terrible, no wonder it's banned in extended! That's why {demonic tutor} sucks, cuz it only let's you find one card! And {Primeval Titan} only let's you get 2 lands? Geez, they should take the game back to the drawing board.

First of all Straw Man Fallacy, and second of all make a deck that runs 4 {Temporal Mastery} and 4 {Ponder}s tell me how many times you got the combo going. Then of those times you got the combo going tell me how many times it was a legitamitely game changer, turn 2 temporal mastery helps but that is your only turn 2 move. If you're playing control, it's about as useful as a {Rampant Growth}.

Thank god your critical thinking course has granted you with the insight to spot such generalizations. However, I think a deck with a playset of both {ponder} and {temporal mastery} might just pull the combo off a time or two, I would not play it, but I would venture to say its likely to pull off the combo. And as it was earlier said, ponder is generally used to "set up" combos. Which, unbeknownst to the user that wrote this apparently, more furthers my argument. Love you guys, keep on playing!

[Dudecore2012]

Well besides my the error in the words I choose, my points been made. Ponder is not broken, game changing or otherwise. It's a good 1 mana draw card and can potentially setup something great. I put it in every blue deck, for obvious reasons.

{Time Walk} is broken. You can throw it out on your second main, when an opponent already played defense and catch them off-guard.

{Temporal Mastery} is revealed to begin with, and has to be played when it's drawed. Let's say the board changes between when you {ponder} it and now, you've essentially spent two turns sitting on your hands.

I could see {Surgical Extraction} being In almost everyones sideboard

[loop-s-pool]

Well besides my the error in the words I choose, my points been made. Ponder is not broken, game changing or otherwise. It's a good 1 mana draw card and can potentially setup something great. I put it in every blue deck, for obvious reasons.

{Time Walk} is broken. You can throw it out on your second main, when an opponent already played defense and catch them off-guard.

{Temporal Mastery} is revealed to begin with, and has to be played when it's drawed. Let's say the board changes between when you {ponder} it and now, you've essentially spent two turns sitting on your hands.

I could see {Surgical Extraction} being In almost everyones sideboard

You've hit the nail on the head. I think every tier one or two deck in standard runs at least one surgical extraction.

[Dudecore2012]

In addition anti-ponder methods exist.
{Thought Scour}
{Dream Twist} (and has a flashback)
{Nephalia Drownyard}

I am not buying this {temporal mastery} dominance yet until I get a chance to see it.

[SirMychal]

Your mom uses {Ponder}.

[Dudecore2012]

Your mom uses {Ponder}.

No!!! Take it back!!!