UW agro

Started by Ekann1, January 16, 2014, 10:03:59 PM

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Kaleo42

This actually looks really good. Nice job. Ill be following this one now so if you have specific questions or are looking for updates as the format evolves in the coming weeks Ill notice.

Kaleo42

First suggestions.
-2 {azorius charm} not going to super impact your deck post board
-1 {dissolve} unlikely youll have double blue, this one of, and somethig worth countering all at the same time
+3 {seraph of the sword} walls most aggro like no other, since your devotion {hundred handed one} is another great option

Main
-1 {spear of heliod} it's legendary, doesn't usually die, you dont need it to win, you wont likely have mana up to use it's abilty, and it sucks to get multiples instead creatures
+1 {island}, {nykthos temple of nyx}, or {mutavault} in a format with zero good early card draw ({ponder}, {preordain}, {telling time}, {gitaxian probe}, and {think twice} are examples of good card draw) we are forced to play more land than we'd like to. Ive found 20 plus the number of turns you need to hit land drops before you miss one is a good rule for this format. This deck could function missing your 4th land drop but I think it hurts too much. As Patrick Chapin says, the adverage magic player plays with 1 and 1/2 less lands than they should. It is always better to flood than mana screw because in a flood you can at least cast what you draw.

Ekann1

Quote from: Kaleo42 on January 25, 2014, 01:44:58 PM
This actually looks really good. Nice job. Ill be following this one now so if you have specific questions or are looking for updates as the format evolves in the coming weeks Ill notice.
Thanks! Appreciate the help :)

Quote from: Kaleo42 on January 25, 2014, 01:57:57 PM
First suggestions.
-2 {azorius charm} not going to super impact your deck post board
-1 {dissolve} unlikely youll have double blue, this one of, and somethig worth countering all at the same time
+3 {seraph of the sword} walls most aggro like no other, since your devotion {hundred handed one} is another great option

Main
-1 {spear of heliod} it's legendary, doesn't usually die, you dont need it to win, you wont likely have mana up to use it's abilty, and it sucks to get multiples instead creatures
+1 {island}, {nykthos temple of nyx}, or {mutavault} in a format with zero good early card draw ({ponder}, {preordain}, {telling time}, {gitaxian probe}, and {think twice} are examples of good card draw) we are forced to play more land than we'd like to. Ive found 20 plus the number of turns you need to hit land drops before you miss one is a good rule for this format. This deck could function missing your 4th land drop but I think it hurts too much. As Patrick Chapin says, the adverage magic player plays with 1 and 1/2 less lands than they should. It is always better to flood than mana screw because in a flood you can at least cast what you draw.

I was thinking that the azorius charm would be good for agro matches for the life gain and creature "removal," while {seraph of the sword} dies to much of the removal an agro deck would be playing. {Hundred-handed one} might be a good option.

land base: I'd rather not play an island, I want to be able to cast {boros reckoner} as much as possible. {mutavault} is a little too expensive for me right now, but if i get another i'll play it. i might just play another plains or nykthos.

Kaleo42

Plains or nykthos are good options. As for seraph dying, what aggro decks are running that much removal? If they {lightning strike} it I understand but one they had to have that instead of a creature and at least you dont take it to the face. Sounds like hundred hands may be better in your meta.

Ekann1

Quote from: Kaleo42 on January 25, 2014, 03:36:13 PM
Plains or nykthos are good options. As for seraph dying, what aggro decks are running that much removal? If they {lightning strike} it I understand but one they had to have that instead of a creature and at least you dont take it to the face. Sounds like hundred hands may be better in your meta.

I don't really know my meta :P . You saw that thread about "competitive" tournament tips, i haven't been to many of them.  I was just making an observation thinking about lightning strike.  But i still think the hundred handed one is better against agro, as it dies to less of agro's removal. Also, it doesn't die to {mizzium mortars}. I think that's a big plus.

Ekann1

any more suggestions?

Ekann1

thinking about cutting the elspeth from SB. any thoughts of what to replace it with? possibly {gideon, champion of justice} for agro matchups?

Sparkle Ninja

I was thinking the same thing. {Gideon champion of justice} is way better than people are currently giving it credit for. I would also recommend {Lavinia of the tenth} against aggro as where it will detain all of the opponent's stuff

Ekann1

Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on January 25, 2014, 10:12:38 PM
I was thinking the same thing. {Gideon champion of justice} is way better than people are currently giving it credit for. I would also recommend {Lavinia of the tenth} against aggro as where it will detain all of the opponent's stuff

I think it's one of the two for my agro matchup, and I think i'm going to play the gideon.

Sparkle Ninja

My only problem with gideon is you lose your entire board too. LAvinia gets the damage through and leaves you with a 4/4 creature that can't be burned to death

Ekann1

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Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on January 25, 2014, 10:44:03 PM
My only problem with gideon is you lose your entire board too. LAvinia gets the damage through and leaves you with a 4/4 creature that can't be burned to death

Wasn't so much planning to wrath the board as to get a huge guy and attack. Even if I do wrath, they should be at a low enough life total that Gideon should be able to finish them off before they can come back. Also, Lavinia dies to mizzium mortars.

On second thought, Lavinia has protection from red and does NOT die to mortars. Lol oops. Anyway, I still prefer gideon. Though there is removal that kills walkers, there is more removal that kills creatures.

However, I'm still open to the idea of playing Lavinia over Gideon if you have a good argument - I don't care either way, just want the better thing for this deck ;)

Ekann1

Also, I want to get this list finished before the prerelease so I can trade for some of the cards then. Does anyone (or, more specifically, does Kaleo :P ) have any other changes to suggest?

Ekann1


Kaleo42

Why is your Brimaz count so low?

Ekann1

Quote from: Kaleo42 on January 27, 2014, 04:34:38 PM
Why is your Brimaz count so low?

Affordability :( One of my first competitive (or hopefully competitive :P ) standard decks.