Mana less Dredge

[Ertai]

so forgive me because im not a legacy or dredge player but i dont understand how this deck works other than {flayer of the hatebound}. so if you {balustrade spy} yourself to mill yourself then what happens. u can dredge to eternity as long as your graveyard has dredge cards in it? meaning, if you have no cards in library can you dredge? even if you flashback {cabal therapy} to bring out {golgari-grave troll}, he doesn't have haste or anything right? so would you lose the next time you are expected to draw?

You get your graveyard insanely huge, then {dread return} {flayer of the hate bound} for 5 damage, then {dread return} {golgari grave troll} for a ton of damage.  {aroma! angel of wrath} {grieslbrand} are backups if I don't have any of my other dudes.

Actually. An easier way (and the first way) is {Dread Return} {Flayer of the Hatebound} for FOUR damage, {Cabal Therepy} sacing {Flayer of the Hatebound} for 5 damage. Then {Dread Return} sacing zombies for {Golgari grave troll}.  Win. No middle crap.

[Ertai]

But your graveyard needs to be big for that to happen.  But the plan is to get flayer or, then the troll out.

When should I sideboard what?  I tend to not do any sideboarding with my decks...

Good question. I had a hard time sideboarding when I first started playing dredge heavy. I tend to keep Iona and Elesh Norn in my sideboard as my big guys as well as {Shatter} and the like for Artifact hate. I'll play Iona for Counters and Creature destruction. I'll play Elesh Norn for Aggro heavy decks. If I can get them out early it works okay. At least with Iona. I don't like bringing Elesh Norn out unless I'm overwhelmed or to board whipe. Simply because I hardly attack.

[particle]

so my question was how does this deck win without {flayer of the hatebound}. i understand how flayer does damage, but if u cant get him out are there alternate win cons? or just direct damage from flayer?

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so my question was how does this deck win without {flayer of the hatebound}. i understand how flayer does damage, but if u cant get him out are there alternate win cons? or just direct damage from flayer?

That's what the big dudes like big griz are for.

so if they {surgical extraction} {flayer of the hatebound} and youve milled your whole deck how will big griz win? he doesnt have haste and by the time he could attack you would have drawn an empty library.

[Ertai]

I've yet to see a {Surgical extraction} played. Lol.

I would laugh at someone who used it.

[ihasfrozen]

You could run a {Flame-Kin Zealot} as a backup win-con that also wins through {Leyline of Sanctity}

[Ertai]

It is fairly big but it's not tier.

I'm still trying to remember when I've seen a surgical extraction. It is a good card and can be used. But there really is no deck to splash black in just in case their life is low.

[Dstyle1]

How do you guys win through a karakas and a sword to plowshares?

[Ertai]

{golgari grave troll} is non legendary.  I kill them with it and my {flayer of the hate bound}

Funny story, I got enough of my cards to make it a 60 card deck, so I got excited and play tested it twice.  Both times, I had 20+ cards in the graveyard! but no win con.  I was so confused.  Then I realized that I didn't have my {dread return}s.  Fail.

20+ isn't nearly enough. If you can get all but maybe 4-6 cards in your deck. You win. Haha

[Dstyle1]

I'm a DnT player and I'm all for ppl playing dredge!

Ps ... What's your plan for a turn 2 Thalia?

[Ertai]

{contaigon} would work, wouldn't it?  And who runs thalia in legacy? 

Yes, and no one. Haha

[Falcon182]

{contaigon} would work, wouldn't it?  And who runs thalia in legacy? 

Yes, and no one. Haha

Lots of people run Thalia in legacy. DnT runs it main. Lots of other decks run it in sb.

[Ertai]

Never seen it in tier.

[Dstyle1]

Well for  this decks sake I hope you don't .

[Ertai]

I think i'll be mainboarding some other stuff, cause really, why would anyone keep a hand with one dredger which is "dredge 3".  Contagion would probably be one of those things.

Did you say you were going to play LeD's?