How much is a box?

Started by Galabranth, January 06, 2014, 12:53:58 PM

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Galabranth

Just a quick question. How much does a Theros box of boosters cost in the US? UK? One box here costs about $100. Just wondering.

Falcon182

Quote from: Galabranth on January 06, 2014, 12:53:58 PM
Just a quick question. How much does a Theros box of boosters cost in the US? UK? One box here costs about $100. Just wondering.

Usually $95-115 in the us. Depending on where you go.

Rass

Falcon is right. But every so often you might find a cheap one on eBay. Or less if you buy a case ( 6 boxes).

Kaleo42

An established retailer gets their boxes at $50 a piece and sell them $95-$110 depending on local taxes, an up an coming retailer gets them at $70 a piece and usually sells at the same. A store that is trying to rip you off will sell them over $110 (unless the set is no longer printed then prices go way up).

Thetrufflehunter

Kings games has all standard set boxes at $90.

(Thanks Gtfotis!)

Ertai

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Quote from: Kaleo42 on January 06, 2014, 02:06:32 PM
An established retailer gets their boxes at $50 a piece and sell them $95-$110 depending on local taxes, an up an coming retailer gets them at $70 a piece and usually sells at the same. A store that is trying to rip you off will sell them over $110 (unless the set is no longer printed then prices go way up).

So most places charge 3.99$ per pack. Some stores sell boxes as price per pack.

Also, an ESTABLISHED business knows that margins grow the business. They also need to get as close to 100% margins for it to be an effective business. There are two ways to do this.

1. Buying product at less than wholesale prices to be able to sell at a discount.
2. Buying at wholesale prices, and raises the prices to make enough margin.

Majority of LGS do not have access to high volume at little cost. That's why it's so much cheaper for boxes online. They usually can get cases straight from WotC's warehouses.

No one is getting ripped off. If they sell boxes for 150$, which Ive seen, then they must not have a very good supplier and must sell their boxes at higher prices because their cost is much higher.

A little FYI from a store owner and a Business Management major.

Kaleo42

So obviously using $ means I am specifically talking US sales for which I am very well aquainted with as I am currently contracting with a successful business man who is working on starting a shop. I can not say anything about foreign sales.

Now since you are also using $ then I can assume you are also dealing in America. If you have to charge $150 for an in print box then you have a very bad supplier. There is no real reason not to purchase from wizards directly unless you can not meet their requirements as a retailing shop and are therefore not what I was refering to as an established shop. Packs are sold anywhere from $2.99 to $4.49 from what I have seen in west coast travels. Regardless of the marked price of a booster the wholesale price of a box is still the same as it is for any other shop of equal standing. Being out for profit is not always smart business. The highest sustainable profit margin for card shops dealing primarily in magic over other games lies in singles sales. Sealed product is has a well established value set to it and stepping outside that value too far threatens customer retention when damages singles sales drastically.

Exceptions obviously include outragous locations like middle of nowhere new mexico and frozen piss alaska where the shipping costs almost a much as the product.

Ertai

What exactly did you say that differed from what I said?

Kaleo42

Quote from: Ertai on January 06, 2014, 08:54:56 PM
What exactly did you say that differed from what I said?
Sorry still sick. I totally thought you were the one selling boxes at $150 and then waving around having a shop and studing business as though that made it all ok. I've seen people do basically that on three different occasions and if this had been the fourth it wouldve been the first time I had all my info straight to have a good debate.

Ertai

Quote from: Kaleo42 on January 06, 2014, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: Ertai on January 06, 2014, 08:54:56 PM
What exactly did you say that differed from what I said?
Sorry still sick. I totally thought you were the one selling boxes at $150 and then waving around having a shop and studing business as though that made it all ok. I've seen people do basically that on three different occasions and if this had been the fourth it wouldve been the first time I had all my info straight to have a good debate.

Oh no problem. I do not sell them for 150. Unfortunately the store where I live in AZ is selling boxes at 150$, where the shop a couple miles away will sell a box worth of different packs for 100$ which is way more desired by a customer. From what I've noticed.

Also, from my experience singles barely bring margin as if you try to sell a card for too much more than a cards wrth, people do not buy from you. Commons/uncommons/lands/tokens are pretty decent margin if you can get away selling a common at .25 cents and an uncommon for .50 cents. Honestly the best margin is the merch. Sleeves, deck boxes, dice, ect bring in by far the most margin.

My store doesn't just sell MtG though, so we are able to sell at lower prices. We make the most money from our Warhammer and Warhammer 40k crowd.

Kaleo42

Warhammer is such a gross profit margin...I refuse to play simply because to products are so vastly over priced.

As for singles sales I should specify having an online opperation is important to see that income.

Ertai

Quote from: Kaleo42 on January 06, 2014, 09:08:59 PM
Warhammer is such a gross profit margin...I refuse to play simply because to products are so vastly over priced.

As for singles sales I should specify having an online opperation is important to see that income.

Haha. Quite right on both points. Unfortunately the tech I had working on fixing my site quit recently. Finding a new one has been quite the challenge.

But yes, it could be good if done correctly.

Kaleo42

That is very much the hard part. Fortunately thats the specialty of the guy I am working with.

Wally

Still.. I wish we had your prices in Australia...

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