Iona Trigger

Started by Maxpayne03, January 06, 2014, 06:26:44 PM

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Maxpayne03

If my opponent {Show and Tell} an {Iona, Shield of Emeria} and choose white color, can I in response to the triggered ability, cast {Unexpectedly Absent} to return it?

Kaleo42

They don't choose a color until the ability resolves so if you let them pick the color it's to late. You can respond to the trigger though.

Giggle the Draco Genius

Hmm this is interesting due to the ruling attached to the card


10/1/2009   Once the color is chosen, it's too late for opponents to respond by casting spells of that color. Iona is not yet in the battlefield at the time the color is chosen, so, for example, there's no way for an opponent to destroy it by casting Doom Blade if the chosen color is black.

And since you can not respond to the creature chosen from show and tell as putting the permanent in is part of the resolution as is making choices for the creature. Also seen in the ruling from show and tell. I feel like you would not have time to respond. Although this question could be above me and I am looking too far into it.

xStrayKnightx

Are you saying you have to cut in before they actually say what colour they choose?

Sardok

Quote from: xStrayKnightx on January 06, 2014, 06:41:39 PM
Are you saying you have to cut in before they actually say what colour they choose?

Unfortunately, you would have to cut in before {Show and Tell} resolves. I believe that you would literally have no idea that your opponent will choose {Iona, Shield of Emeria} until after {Show and Tell}, which also means you won't be able to respond to it at all.

Long story short, don't let the first spell resolve!

xStrayKnightx

No, I'm saying that with Iona, if you choose Blue, they can't counter her. Is that right? Once you've spoken of a colour of your choice, no opponents can cast spells of that colour.

Oh, my friends are gonna hate me even more now...

Kaleo42

Quote from: xStrayKnightx on January 06, 2014, 07:07:48 PM
No, I'm saying that with Iona, if you choose Blue, they can't counter her. Is that right? Once you've spoken of a colour of your choice, no opponents can cast spells of that colour.

Oh, my friends are gonna hate me even more now...
If she hasn't resolved as a spell she can be countered. She has to resolve and enter for her effect to be active.

Gorzo

#7
People have a bad habit with Iona of declaring the color when they cast her, or otherwise at the wrong time. Don't let them. When they name a color say "she hasn't resolved yet, I might have a response."

Then you {Counterspell} her, even if they named blue, because her ability isn't there yet for them to name a color. If she's not on the field yet, no color has been chosen.

In the case of show and tell, it's a bit trickier since no player receives priority during the resolution of the spell. You can respond to Show and Tell, but once it starts, you won't be able to cast anything until it's over and Iona is already on the field (including her chosen color).

Don't let your opponent get away with denying you your rightful priority chances just because they're rushing, sloppy, or mind-gaming. Slow them down and run them through the legal gameplay.

Kaleo42

Quote from: Gorzo on January 06, 2014, 07:37:16 PM
People have a bad habit with Iona of declaring the color when they cast her, or otherwise at the wrong time. Don't let them. When they name a color say "she hasn't resolved yet, I might have a response."

Then you {Counterspell} her, even if they named blue, because her ability isn't there yet for them to name a color. Or in the case of {Unexpectedly Absent} or the like, say "okay, she resolves, but in response to her ETB trigger, I cast Unexpectedly Absent before it resolves and you get to choose a color."

Don't let your opponent get away with denying you your rightful priority chances just because they're rushing, sloppy, or mind-gaming. Slow them down and run them through the legal gameplay.
Careful there. It is not an ETB. It says "as it enters" similar to a {clone} creature.

Gorzo

Quote from: Kaleo42 on January 06, 2014, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on January 06, 2014, 07:37:16 PM
People have a bad habit with Iona of declaring the color when they cast her, or otherwise at the wrong time. Don't let them. When they name a color say "she hasn't resolved yet, I might have a response."

Then you {Counterspell} her, even if they named blue, because her ability isn't there yet for them to name a color. Or in the case of {Unexpectedly Absent} or the like, say "okay, she resolves, but in response to her ETB trigger, I cast Unexpectedly Absent before it resolves and you get to choose a color."

Don't let your opponent get away with denying you your rightful priority chances just because they're rushing, sloppy, or mind-gaming. Slow them down and run them through the legal gameplay.
Careful there. It is not an ETB. It says "as it enters" similar to a {clone} creature.

Yeah, noticed that right after posting - amending my answer to be correct

Sardok

Quote from: Gorzo on January 06, 2014, 07:37:16 PM
People have a bad habit with Iona of declaring the color when they cast her, or otherwise at the wrong time. Don't let them. When they name a color say "she hasn't resolved yet, I might have a response."

Then you {Counterspell} her, even if they named blue, because her ability isn't there yet for them to name a color. Or in the case of {Unexpectedly Absent} or the like, say "okay, she resolves, but in response to her ETB trigger, I cast Unexpectedly Absent before it resolves and you get to choose a color."

Don't let your opponent get away with denying you your rightful priority chances just because they're rushing, sloppy, or mind-gaming. Slow them down and run them through the legal gameplay.

I don't think Iona has a triggered ability though since it says "as" instead of the normal "when", "whenever" or "at". So you can't cast {Unexpectedly Absent} in response if white is named.

Edit: argh too slow!

Maxpayne03

So I can confirm that I cannot cast {Unexpectedly Absent} as it is not a triggered ETB effect?

Gorzo

Quote from: Maxpayne03 on January 07, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
So I can confirm that I cannot cast {Unexpectedly Absent} as it is not a triggered ETB effect?

Assuming he chose White as the named color, it would appear so.