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[Piotr]

To clarify a disputed fact from Piotr and ConanEdo's argument:

Fascism-"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

Socialism-"a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

I think some confusion stemmed from the fact that in fascism, as in socialism, there is a command economy. Although I think that it important to point out that fascism is DICTATOR run and socialism is run by, to quote the definition, "the community as a whole."

Definitions courtesy of Dictionary.com

Socialism is a way of running the economy and is opposite of free market. Do not confuse it with the way the government is selected.

You can have Socialism in democracy, republic or monarchy all the same. Hitler and Mussolini and SDP were running socialist economies, same as Stalin, Lenin, Pol-Pot, Mao, Tito, and the modern Korean dynasty in the north of the country. Same as Peoples Republic of Poland of 1970s I was born in, same as United Kingdom of 2004 I moved to. Obama is implementing socialism as hard as he can.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

To clarify a disputed fact from Piotr and ConanEdo's argument:

Fascism-"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

Socialism-"a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

I think some confusion stemmed from the fact that in fascism, as in socialism, there is a command economy. Although I think that it important to point out that fascism is DICTATOR run and socialism is run by, to quote the definition, "the community as a whole."

Definitions courtesy of Dictionary.com

Socialism is a way of running the economy and is opposite of free market. Do not confuse it with the way the government is selected.

Communism is strictly the economic system, socialism is kind of an economic system and a vague governmental idea, and because of this oddity many "socialists" define themselves as "social democrats". It is has a command theory, but because the definition says "a theory or system of social organization", it is kind of considered both.

Communism, as show in the Communist Manifesto, is to be achieved by creating a government and then following a series of steps called the "Ten Planks of Communism" with the final result being a communist state. Socialism is achieved by starting with that goverment and only following some of the "Ten Planks", but depending on which you follow you could still have a variation on the original government Marx described as opposed to communism which calls for anarchy.

[Piotr]

To clarify a disputed fact from Piotr and ConanEdo's argument:

Fascism-"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

Socialism-"a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

I think some confusion stemmed from the fact that in fascism, as in socialism, there is a command economy. Although I think that it important to point out that fascism is DICTATOR run and socialism is run by, to quote the definition, "the community as a whole."

Definitions courtesy of Dictionary.com

Socialism is a way of running the economy and is opposite of free market. Do not confuse it with the way the government is selected.

Communism is strictly the economic system, socialism is kind of an economic system and a vague governmental idea, and because of this oddity many "socialists" define themselves as "social democrats". It is has a command theory, but because the definition says "a theory or system of social organization", it is kind of considered both.

Communism, as show in the Communist Manifesto, is to be achieved by creating a government and then following a series of steps called the "Ten Planks of Communism" with the final result being a communist state. Socialism is achieved by starting with that goverment and only following some of the "Ten Planks", but depending on which you follow you could still have a variation on the original government Marx described as opposed to communism which calls for anarchy.

Socialism is a way of running the economy and is opposite of free market. Do not confuse it with the way the government is selected. We had socialism in Poland and the regime was anything but democratic. We have socialism in UK and the democracy here seems to be run in a fair enough way, by British standards which are very high.

Marx theorised that in the long run in democracy socialism will always triumph. I agree, the theory is well supported by experiment and the logical reason for it is that we are all needy and greedy and thus we are all vulnerable to lies of socialists. Unfortunately only some of us are smart enough to understand that socialism always leads to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortage_economy and we vote for the socialists who lie or genuinely believe that socialism is good for the people. In democracy power is with the majority, which is the needy and greedy people.

Which government is better: the one which says it will do good things for you but fails or does the opposite, or the one which says it will do nothing at all to you and delivers?

[Piotr]

He was, for sure, incredibly rude to you. But that's not a green-flag to be rude back.

You are talking nonsense here. Where's the logic?

If I was indeed rude*, it is absolutely a green flag to be rude back. What else should be my punishment? Death? Boycott of my app?

* no I wasn't.

[Mlerner12]

Define your "rude", Taysby and Piotr. They could be different. For example my dad's is "Doing something he doesnt't want you go do." To me it's "doing something intentionally harmful to another mentally".

[Gorzo]

He was, for sure, incredibly rude to you. But that's not a green-flag to be rude back.

You are talking nonsense here. Where's the logic?

If I was indeed rude*, it is absolutely a green flag to be rude back. What else should be my punishment? Death? Boycott of my app?

* no I wasn't.

Telling him his posts are "an insult to everyone who thinks logically" is pretty goddamn rude, man. You also slapped him with Absurdio Ad Hitlerum. I doubt he appreciated being compared to hitler out of the blue.

And I'd like to think we're above/mature enough to not punish a person for arguing or being rude. It's null. We can be an adult and move on.

And I'm not a fan of you using Reductio Ad Absurdum on me I study fallacies for a hobby, please don't use them on me.

[Mlerner12]

He was, for sure, incredibly rude to you. But that's not a green-flag to be rude back.

You are talking nonsense here. Where's the logic?

If I was indeed rude*, it is absolutely a green flag to be rude back. What else should be my punishment? Death? Boycott of my app?

* no I wasn't.

Telling him his posts are "an insult to everyone who thinks logically" is pretty goddamn rude, man. You also slapped him with Absurdio Ad Hitlerum. I doubt he appreciated being compared to hitler out of the blue.

And I'd like to think we're above/mature enough to not punish a person for arguing or being rude. It's null. We can be an adult and move on.

And I'm not a fan of you using Reductio Ad Absurdum on me I study fallacies for a hobby, please don't use them on me.

Words of wisdom from the {Gorzoian Spirit Guide}.

[Spencer Addington]

He was, for sure, incredibly rude to you. But that's not a green-flag to be rude back.

You are talking nonsense here. Where's the logic?

If I was indeed rude*, it is absolutely a green flag to be rude back. What else should be my punishment? Death? Boycott of my app?

* no I wasn't.

Telling him his posts are "an insult to everyone who thinks logically" is pretty goddamn rude, man. You also slapped him with Absurdio Ad Hitlerum. I doubt he appreciated being compared to hitler out of the blue.

And I'd like to think we're above/mature enough to not punish a person for arguing or being rude. It's null. We can be an adult and move on.

And I'm not a fan of you using Reductio Ad Absurdum on me I study fallacies for a hobby, please don't use them on me.

Words of wisdom from the {Gorzoian Spirit Guide}.

Cool card

[Mattao19]

He was, for sure, incredibly rude to you. But that's not a green-flag to be rude back.

You are talking nonsense here. Where's the logic?

If I was indeed rude*, it is absolutely a green flag to be rude back. What else should be my punishment? Death? Boycott of my app?

* no I wasn't.

Telling him his posts are "an insult to everyone who thinks logically" is pretty goddamn rude, man. You also slapped him with Absurdio Ad Hitlerum. I doubt he appreciated being compared to hitler out of the blue.

And I'd like to think we're above/mature enough to not punish a person for arguing or being rude. It's null. We can be an adult and move on.

And I'm not a fan of you using Reductio Ad Absurdum on me I study fallacies for a hobby, please don't use them on me.

Words of wisdom from the {Gorzoian Spirit Guide}.

Cool card

Exile it and add {U} to your mana pool!!

[Mlerner12]

Which government is better: the one which says it will do good things for you but fails or does the opposite, or the one which says it will do nothing at all to you and delivers?

The one that says they'd do nothing- at least then I don't get my hopes up and act more accordingly to the ACTUAL situation.

[Ertai]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortage_economy

I thought you were cool, and then you bring this nonsense.

I was really hoping for some actually credable.

[Spencer Addington]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortage_economy

I thought you were cool, and then you bring this nonsense.

I was really hoping for some actually credable.

Not a fan of the all powerful Wiki? Death to the non-believer!!!

[Mlerner12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortage_economy

I thought you were cool, and then you bring this nonsense.

I was really hoping for some actually credable.

Kornai, János, Socialist economy, Princeton University Press, 1992, ISBN 0-691-00393-9
Kornai, János, Economics of Shortage, Amsterdam: North Holland Press, Volume A, p. 27; Volume B, p. 196 .
Gomulka, Stanislaw: Kornai's Soft Budget Constraint and the Shortage Phenomenon: A Criticism and Restatement, in: Economics of Planning, Vol. 19. 1985. No. 1.
Planning Shortage and Transformation. Essays in Honor of Janos Kornai, Cambridge, Mass.: MIT Press, 2000
Myant, Martin; Drahokoupil, Jan (2010), Transition Economies: Political Economy in Russia, Eastern Europe, and Central Asia, Wiley-Blackwell, ISBN 978-0-470-59619-7

The references are in full view

[Ertai]

Wayman, Mason - The Easiest Fake Ever, 2013. Article. The Biggest Liar.

The point is, Wikipedia is not allowed as a reference in schools for a reason. Because I can go on there right now and change any article to whatever I want and add my little reference there and no one would be the wiser.

In fact, I would have people like you copy and paste it so you would think its legit.

 

[Spencer Addington]

Wayman, Mason - The Easiest Fake Ever, 2013. Article. The Biggest Liar.

The point is, Wikipedia is not allowed as a reference in schools for a reason. Because I can go on there right now and change any article to whatever I want and add my little reference there and no one would be the wiser.

In fact, I would have people like you copy and paste it so you would think its legit.

Didn't they change it to where people couldn't do that anymore?