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Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

To clarify a disputed fact from Piotr and ConanEdo's argument:

Fascism-"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

Socialism-"a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

I think some confusion stemmed from the fact that in fascism, as in socialism, there is a command economy. Although I think that it important to point out that fascism is DICTATOR run and socialism is run by, to quote the definition, "the community as a whole."

Definitions courtesy of Dictionary.com


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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2013, 10:26:17 PM
To clarify a disputed fact from Piotr and ConanEdo's argument:

Fascism-"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

Socialism-"a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

I think some confusion stemmed from the fact that in fascism, as in socialism, there is a command economy. Although I think that it important to point out that fascism is DICTATOR run and socialism is run by, to quote the definition, "the community as a whole."

Definitions courtesy of Dictionary.com
but is it really, Spencer? is it really run by the community as a whole?

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: IceScythe on December 07, 2013, 10:29:35 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2013, 10:26:17 PM
To clarify a disputed fact from Piotr and ConanEdo's argument:

Fascism-"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

Socialism-"a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

I think some confusion stemmed from the fact that in fascism, as in socialism, there is a command economy. Although I think that it important to point out that fascism is DICTATOR run and socialism is run by, to quote the definition, "the community as a whole."

Definitions courtesy of Dictionary.com
but is it really, Spencer? is it really run by the community as a whole?
Firstly, who is Spencer? Secondly, yes. As soon it is not "run by the community as a whole" it ceases to be socialism. That is why many people, such as myself, are not "socialists" we are "democratic socialists". We believe in governing through popular majority. This model is similar to what the United States uses as its form of government, with the exception of the US having a market economy.


Spencer Addington

I is spencer. Who's askin?!

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 07, 2013, 10:38:44 PM
I is spencer. Who's askin?!
He quoted me and said "is it really Spencer?" so I was confused.

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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2013, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 07, 2013, 10:38:44 PM
I is spencer. Who's askin?!
He quoted me and said "is it really Spencer?" so I was confused.
haha.... names.... i forget them...

Gorzo

To clarify to Conan, I do agree that Piotr was overly aggressive towards him, and I don't mind saying so. He was, for sure, incredibly rude to you. But that's not a green-flag to be rude back. Keeping calm or walking away, or you can make Piotr piñata in your home and go at with a baseball bat until candy comes out his butt. But two wrongs never make a right.

(unless you're driving, then you need three wrong lefts to make a right)

Mlerner12

Quote from: Gorzo on December 07, 2013, 10:53:40 PM
To clarify to Conan, I do agree that Piotr was overly aggressive towards him, and I don't mind saying so. He was, for sure, incredibly rude to you. But that's not a green-flag to be rude back. Keeping calm or walking away, or you can make Piotr piñata in your home and go at with a baseball bat until candy comes out his butt. But two wrongs never make a right.

(unless you're driving, then you need four wrong lefts to make a right)
I thought three lefts?

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: IceScythe on December 07, 2013, 10:49:13 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2013, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 07, 2013, 10:38:44 PM
I is spencer. Who's askin?!
He quoted me and said "is it really Spencer?" so I was confused.
haha.... names.... i forget them...
It's all good, I do the same all the time, even with my parents and close friends.

Gorzo

Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 07, 2013, 11:00:05 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on December 07, 2013, 10:53:40 PM
To clarify to Conan, I do agree that Piotr was overly aggressive towards him, and I don't mind saying so. He was, for sure, incredibly rude to you. But that's not a green-flag to be rude back. Keeping calm or walking away, or you can make Piotr piñata in your home and go at with a baseball bat until candy comes out his butt. But two wrongs never make a right.

(unless you're driving, then you need four wrong lefts to make a right)
I thought three lefts?

Whoops, you're right! Fixed my post :P not that bad joke is the important part. I'm too distracted by the Ohio st v Michigan st game.

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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2013, 11:04:14 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 07, 2013, 10:49:13 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 07, 2013, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 07, 2013, 10:38:44 PM
I is spencer. Who's askin?!
He quoted me and said "is it really Spencer?" so I was confused.
haha.... names.... i forget them...
It's all good, I do the same all the time, even with my parents and close friends.
:D im simply terrible at remembering names, the fact that yours was right beside the quote button just makes it worse...

Mlerner12

Quote from: Gorzo on December 07, 2013, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 07, 2013, 11:00:05 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on December 07, 2013, 10:53:40 PM
To clarify to Conan, I do agree that Piotr was overly aggressive towards him, and I don't mind saying so. He was, for sure, incredibly rude to you. But that's not a green-flag to be rude back. Keeping calm or walking away, or you can make Piotr piñata in your home and go at with a baseball bat until candy comes out his butt. But two wrongs never make a right.

(unless you're driving, then you need four wrong lefts to make a right)
I thought three lefts?

Whoops, you're right! Fixed my post :P not that bad joke is the important part. I'm too distracted by the Ohio st v Michigan st game.
Lol matchup of the ages