Knight Of The Reliquary TRON

[Lyriczulu]

is {gilded lotus} worth running?

Probably not, I mean the earliest you can play it is T3 with all three urza's lands and I think you'd much rather play {Karn Liberated} then or at least {Wurmcoil Engine}. What would you take out to play it?

[Lyriczulu]

You might be able to make it work, I just think that if that's your T3 or T4 play, you might be in trouble depending on the matchup.

[abstractApathist]

I would probably take out {relic of progenitous} and if a deck runs lots of graveyard use, take out the {gilded lotus}s and put in the relics.  If I don't have a karn, it would help me pull out my big stuff.  I have no idea if it would be good or not.

{Gilded Lotus} is pretty useless since most of your good stuff should be out once you have tron anyway. {Relic of Progenitus} not only gets you through your deck, but allows you to punish any graveyard interaction, including anything melira-pod or living end plays, and {Snapcaster Mage}.

[abstractApathist]

I was leaning towards not running it, but I thought it was worth discussing.  Thanks for your input.

No problem

[fj76ts4]

boseiju + tooth&nail entwine + triskelavus + mikaeus the unhallowed = win

[fj76ts4]

alternatively, it's very careful tron sideboarding

[abstractApathist]

alternatively, it's very careful tron sideboarding

I wouldn't call 3 black mana symbols tron sideboarding...

[fj76ts4]

tooth and nail for it, don't cast it

[abstractApathist]

tooth and nail for it, don't cast it

Oh, duh

Still, how does the combo work? It just seems like a way of converting mana into damage

[fj76ts4]

remove all the counters, it comes back with undying, remove all the counters again, repeat until opponent is dead.

[abstractApathist]

remove all the counters, it comes back with undying, remove all the counters again, repeat until opponent is dead.

{Triskelavus} makes 12 damage from {7}.

Did you mean {Triskelion}?

[fj76ts4]

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[abstractApathist]

You seem really adamant about not taking out {Knight of the Reliquary}: Why? It takes a lot of colored mana and you would always rather have a turn three Karn or {Wurmcoil Engine}.

While adding in {Gitaxian Probe} seems fine (like a different sort of egg in a way), diluting your deck further from its wincon by putting in {polymorph} just so you can replace the knights seems pointless. If the knights are bad enough that you'd want to splash blue just to trade them for something else, that's probably a sign you shouldn't run them.

[abstractApathist]

I have a slightly different version that took 2nd at the legacy tourney.  My only legacy card was a {sensei's divining top}.  It only folded to some form of equipment/counter everything deck.

{Autumn's Veil} can help you against most counterspells, and {savage summoning} works for even better against countertop.

[Spencer Addington]

What exactly is a tron deck?