Modern challenge

Started by Teysa karlov, October 23, 2013, 01:17:30 PM

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DeathlyFoiend

Quote from: Potticus on October 28, 2013, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on October 28, 2013, 04:39:57 PM
With no UR Twi in the mention being the winner of GP Antwerp....

I find how all of you guys keep mentioning decks, but a lot of them suck.

The biggest deck right now is BGx Midrange. Affinity follows that up along with Melira pod. Kiki Pod is also a contender and so is Scapeshift and Living End. UWR has be severely lacking to get top 8 in many GPs because most of control in moden literally sucks and it is the only strong contender that is weak to Jund, Living End, RG Tron and outshadowed by Twin decks. There is no paper in this Rock vs Scissor meta.

This isn't even close to true. UWR isn't winning because people can't pilot it. Look at the pros who all pilot it and win, 3 pros top 8'd with it in the world championships. Melira pod, kiki pod, and splinter twin are all pretty solid combos and way ahead of living end and scapeshift. Jund and junk decks are probably the best right now, but that's what you get when you cram that much value into a deck. As for affinity, I only have one friend who plays it, I haven't checked on how it's currently doing.
Those pros also ended up getting 25th and 56th in the last gp, along with the world championships being 42% UWR out of those 16 players in suspect of midrange and combo, mostly pod.

Coffee Vampire

If you want to build an anti meta deck, be sure to put {Stony Silence} in your sideboard. It makes affinity auto scoop (they can't even activate modt of their mana sources, or equip {Cranial Plating}!), and it slows pod and even tron down. Though I wouldn't play it versus tron, most likely. Just a thought.

DeathlyFoiend

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Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
Affinity is always going to be a thing until something else shows itself to be the premiere aggro deck. No other deck puts up as consistent a clock or puts more pressure on players. As for Antwerp, pretty sure this is going to be Living Ends' high water mark. People will start siding for it, and it's one of the most easily hated decks. But yeah, UWx looks like it's best when folded into the Splinter Twin build.
Tip of advice. Do. Not. Call. UWR. UWx. URx implies that using black is okay. No, it can only be UWR right now in the meta because of vale and lightning bolt. It gets rid of so many 2 for one and lightning bolt is needed for a fling to the face and better removal.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on October 28, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
Affinity is always going to be a thing until something else shows itself to be the premiere aggro deck. No other deck puts up as consistent a clock or puts more pressure on players. As for Antwerp, pretty sure this is going to be Living Ends' high water mark. People will start siding for it, and it's one of the most easily hated decks. But yeah, UWx looks like it's best when folded into the Splinter Twin build.
Tip of advice. Do. Not. Call. UWR. UWx. URx implies that using black is okay. No, it can only be UWR right now in the meta because of vale and lightning bolt. It gets rid of so many 2 for one and lightning bolt is needed for a fling to the face and better removal.
I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but might I suggest you try dispensing advice with a bit more diplomacy? You obviously know the format and that knowledge is greatly appreciated.
If you have seen Key & Peele, allow me to play the role of Luther, the anger translator. You know what you are talking about, but you don't have to be a .rearexit. about it.

DeathlyFoiend

Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on October 28, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
Affinity is always going to be a thing until something else shows itself to be the premiere aggro deck. No other deck puts up as consistent a clock or puts more pressure on players. As for Antwerp, pretty sure this is going to be Living Ends' high water mark. People will start siding for it, and it's one of the most easily hated decks. But yeah, UWx looks like it's best when folded into the Splinter Twin build.
Tip of advice. Do. Not. Call. UWR. UWx. URx implies that using black is okay. No, it can only be UWR right now in the meta because of vale and lightning bolt. It gets rid of so many 2 for one and lightning bolt is needed for a fling to the face and better removal.
I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but might I suggest you try dispensing advice with a bit more diplomacy? You obviously know the format and that knowledge is greatly appreciated.
Duly noted. Sorry if I come across like a jerk a lot.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on October 28, 2013, 11:11:02 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on October 28, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 28, 2013, 07:27:39 PM
Affinity is always going to be a thing until something else shows itself to be the premiere aggro deck. No other deck puts up as consistent a clock or puts more pressure on players. As for Antwerp, pretty sure this is going to be Living Ends' high water mark. People will start siding for it, and it's one of the most easily hated decks. But yeah, UWx looks like it's best when folded into the Splinter Twin build.
Tip of advice. Do. Not. Call. UWR. UWx. URx implies that using black is okay. No, it can only be UWR right now in the meta because of vale and lightning bolt. It gets rid of so many 2 for one and lightning bolt is needed for a fling to the face and better removal.
I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but might I suggest you try dispensing advice with a bit more diplomacy? You obviously know the format and that knowledge is greatly appreciated.
Duly noted. Sorry if I come across like a jerk a lot.
It's all good, just you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar :) . On a tangent, we actually just tested this in a chemotaxis lab for AP Biology...

rarehuntertay

I have noticed that a lot of decks are vulnerable to  {Blood Moon}...

DeathlyFoiend

Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 31, 2013, 10:51:28 PM
I have noticed that a lot of decks are vulnerable to  {Blood Moon}...
The decks that are always have removal for it. Abrupt Decay also pushes for it not to be it  as much except for affinity and UR Delver.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

I have noticed that there aren't a lot mill decks run at the Modern level, Dimir or Esper Mill might be able to knock a couple decks down to size...

imthelolrus

I like trying to find a "best" modern deck, but truthfully ally the ones meantioned have strengths and weaknesses. They all have the potential to do very well, it's such a grey area because the meta is so diverse. (Which is why I love modern, you really never know who you will be matched up against).

Thanks to ooze and deathrite BGx got a significant boost and the meta will find ways to correct this.

DeathlyFoiend

Quote from: Potticus on November 06, 2013, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 06, 2013, 07:17:17 AM
I have noticed that there aren't a lot mill decks run at the Modern level, Dimir or Esper Mill might be able to knock a couple decks down to size...

You'll be dead with mill before you get half their deck. Either they combo from little interaction or they just beatdown to 20.
Funny how Mill gets consistent 3-x results on dailies. But actsully, esper is really just that weak in modern that it is weaker than mill. Maybe not Stoneblade though.

abstractApathist

Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on November 06, 2013, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: Potticus on November 06, 2013, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 06, 2013, 07:17:17 AM
I have noticed that there aren't a lot mill decks run at the Modern level, Dimir or Esper Mill might be able to knock a couple decks down to size...

You'll be dead with mill before you get half their deck. Either they combo from little interaction or they just beatdown to 20.
Funny how Mill gets consistent 3-x results on dailies. But actsully, esper is really just that weak in modern that it is weaker than mill. Maybe not Stoneblade though.
I wouldn't call 2 top-4's in the last 4 months consistent...

source: http://www.mtgtop8.com/search

Teysa karlov

Quote from: Potticus on November 06, 2013, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 06, 2013, 07:17:17 AM
I have noticed that there aren't a lot mill decks run at the Modern level, Dimir or Esper Mill might be able to knock a couple decks down to size...

You'll be dead with mill before you get half their deck. Either they combo from little interaction or they just beatdown to 20.

I have milled some one completely on turn 4 before!

DeathlyFoiend

Quote from: abstractApathist on November 06, 2013, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on November 06, 2013, 05:03:05 PM
Quote from: Potticus on November 06, 2013, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 06, 2013, 07:17:17 AM
I have noticed that there aren't a lot mill decks run at the Modern level, Dimir or Esper Mill might be able to knock a couple decks down to size...

You'll be dead with mill before you get half their deck. Either they combo from little interaction or they just beatdown to 20.
Funny how Mill gets consistent 3-x results on dailies. But actsully, esper is really just that weak in modern that it is weaker than mill. Maybe not Stoneblade though.
I wouldn't call 2 top-4's in the last 4 months consistent...

source: http://www.mtgtop8.com/search
Still better result than Esper Control, so my point still stands.