Favored Hoplite

[Wackaman9001]

So are you trying to say heroic doesn't use the stack? It only triggers from the controllers spell. The strike goes on the stack immediately after, so it resolves first. Heroic still resolves before the buff that triggered it

[DimirOverlord1300]

http://blogs.magicjudges.org/rulestips/2013/09/heroic-triggers-resolve-before-the-spell/
Theres a section on this page that gives you the rundown on the stack with heroic. Heroic does go on the stack, on top of the spell that triggered it. Then after heroic the ls goes on, and it resolves first killing the creature before heroic

[Steerpike]

Well I'll be damned...

I guess the word "target" really confused me. Like you can't prevent someone from targeting, you know?

+1 for you guys correcting me.
That's what this board is for

[Wackaman9001]

Cool, sorry if I seemed dickish about this

[Steerpike]

Naw man, you're doing me a favor

[Steerpike]

It appears to be

[Bop]

Is that order of the stack set by the game? Or could it be in a different order depending on how players announced their intentions? Like If my opponent hastily announces his response to my casting before I have the chance to announce the heroic trigger...? As I'm writing this out I think i can answer it myself but I would enjoy a confirmation.

[Steerpike]

The Heroic being a direct result of your casting means nothing can be played in between your spell on the stack and the trigger.

Your opponent also can't play anything until you've passed priority to them
116.3c: If a player has priority when he or she casts a spell, activates an ability, or takes a special action, that player receives priority afterward.

[Mattao19]

The Heroic being a direct result of your casting means nothing can be played in between your spell on the stack and the trigger.

Your opponent also can't play anything until you've passed priority to them

Doesn't that mean that the Hoplite lives?

[Bop]

For the stack to resolve both players must pass priority

[Steerpike]

The Heroic being a direct result of your casting means nothing can be played in between your spell on the stack and the trigger.

Your opponent also can't play anything until you've passed priority to them

Doesn't that mean that the Hoplite lives?

I'm saying the stack can't go (for example)

Top
Heroic Trigger
Lightning Strike
Spell that triggered Heroic
Bottom

[Lyriczulu]

Before a spell/trigger can resolve priority must be passed successively with no further spells/triggers added to the stack. So the heroic trigger will not resolve before your opponent has a chance to cast {Lightning Strike}

[Kaleo42]

In order to cast a spell or activate an ability a player has to have priority. Last fnm I got to teach someone about this and he was very annoyed. He attempted to destroy my {fleecemane lion} and my {elspeth sun's champion} literally the second they entered play. I told him he does not have prioirty continued with my turn and annouced his next chance to do something.

Active player (who's turn it is) has prioirty unless it's the blockers step. Non active player may only respond to things on the stack or phase/step changes.

In order for any player to recieve priority state base must be checked. This i when creatures die do to damage or no toughness, players lose do to no life or having drawn from no library, and when triggers are placed on the stack.

You cast your spell
State base is checked before you recieve priority again
Trigger added to the stack
You get priority
You want your spell to resolve so you pass priority
State base check
They have priority
They cast a spell
State base check
They have priority
They pass it backj
State basse check
You pass prioirty back
State base check
Two consecutive priority passes forces the top of the stack to resolve
State check
They have prioity
Pass it back
State check
You pass
State check
Resolve trigger
State check
They have priority
They pass
State check
You pass
State check
Your spell resolves
State check
You retain priority because it is your turn.

Replace resolve with fizzel if there is no longer a valid target.

[Steerpike]

Yeah, this suggested problem:

If my opponent hastily announces his response to my casting before I have the chance to announce the heroic trigger...?

cannot happen because your opponent would not have priority between you casting the spell and the Heroic trigger going on the stack right on top of the spell

[Mattao19]

Ok so my Fav. Hoplite lives? (Sorry I'm getting confused)