Affordable Healthcare Act

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

The size of these quotes right now...

You should have seen the quote chains in Fun Stuff-->Whoever gets the last post wins.

[Apathy Reactor]

This thread is starting to look like quote wars :|

[Piotr]

The gov knew when they passed it into law, that it would make tens of millions of Americans lose their healthcare.  That's them saying "screw you America!"  I think something needs to be done about that president.  Surely there has to be some way we can impeach him for making Americans lose heir healthcare.

Something needs to be done about people calling to impeach Obama, YOU CAN'T, SO WHY WASTE YOUR TIME. In America, you can not impeach the president unless they have committed a crime, "I don't like him" isn't reason enough. In writing, Article II, Section Four, states that cases of impeachment may be undertaken only for "treason, bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors." I would also like to point out that the president CAN'T MAKE LAWS. The House of Representatives and the Senate both have to pass the law by a simple majority and then have it either be signed into law by the president or be left unsigned for 10 business days. If the president vetos it, he can be overridden by a 2/3 majority.

I'd also like to point out that the Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act has barely even started to take effect, let's wait at least a year until we judge it. If this is so bad, why do so many countries have public healthcare? A list includes:  Algeria, Egypt, Ghana, Libya, Mauritius, Morocco, South Africa, China, South Korea, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Tunisia, Albania, Austria, Andorra, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, the United Kingdom.....

As for the fine, this law is a revenue law, essentially a tax. If you don't follow the law, you pay the tax. Its simple enough.

My point was, surely making millions of Americans lose their healthcare was a higher crime, because it could keep them from potentially getting life saving treatment, and dying.  So obama's probably killed a lot of people.  I know Obama didn't just sign it into law. However, he was the one pushing for it, and it was his idea, and when it came to him, he didn't repeal it.  It's unconstitutional, and he passed it.

I think we have a good enough case.

In your list of company's with public healthcare, everyone has worse economy's except for china.  And that's just because they have like a billion people.

They have smaller economies yet receive better care per several reliable third party reports.

I call a lie on this. Better in what aspect? NHS in UK has told my 3 years old daughter that her allergy to house mite is incurable. It is curable in the US and in Switzerland, where one has to pay for their medical services, in general. I have been to Lugano with 2 years old and I paid for the 'pleasure'.

You could have just had a crap doctor, anecdotal evidence isn't the greatest of evidence.

A disease which is curable in US is not curable in UK because UK runs a public crappy healthcare which does not offer the cure and advises the patients that their condition is incurable. You call that anecdotal evidence? I call you liar.

[ihasfrozen]

Fox News just released the numbers on the health care.  As of oct 26, (I believe) only like 250 people got health care.  It was too expensive for everyone else.  And from the regulations it put on private businesses, millions lost their health care.  And Obama knew that would happen...  If that doesn't say tyrant, I don't know what will.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE99U16R20131101?irpc=932

Not true, 248 were signed up on October 3 according to the reuter's article.

One of the mystifying things I have seen I the debate over the impact of the law is that 1 million people in a country of over 300 Million people isn't actually a big portion of the population, in fact it's downright trivial.

It has also been noted that some of the dropped policies were because they did not provide the minimum coverage required by the Affordable Care Act, which doesn't sound like a negative to me.

And for the record, the affordable care act is not creating nationalized insurance, it is expanding Medicaid coverage for some, but that was an existing program. A vast majority are using private insurance, so comparing this to socialized medicine has little point in my opinion.

At least we don't have to deal with him once his term is up, and from what I've heard his support is plummeting because of this

Hillary 2016 : )

[Piotr]

I have to question your moral integrity if you claim that depriving a million people of healthcare is trivial.

[ihasfrozen]

I have to question your moral integrity if you claim that depriving a million people of healthcare is trivial.

It is not depriving them of health care, it means they have to get a different policy.

[Steerpike]

they have to

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Something that has never made sense to me: People claim Obamacare is so expensive millions won't be able to pay for it and yet it is going to cost millions and billions of dollars of tax dollars. If it's so expensive, wouldn't it be able pay for itself? And if it were to cost us millions in tax dollars, wouldn't it be cheaper for those who are paying for it? I think obviously biased news sources (*cough* Fox *cough*) should decide which lie (through exaggeration and creative accounting) they feel would convince the most people instead of spreading two conflicting ones... Oh, and no one use the "because insurance costs so much" argument because if that were true, insurance companies would lose money and would be out of business. And yes, Obamacare will cover many who would usually not afford coverage because of age, health, ect. but many of those people are already covered under Medicare/Medicaid.

[Mlerner12]

obviously biased news sources (*cough* Fox *cough*)

Faith in humanity restored! Lol, yeah I hate Fox News too

[Piotr]

Something that has never made sense to me: People claim Obamacare is so expensive millions won't be able to pay for it and yet it is going to cost millions and billions of dollars of tax dollars. If it's so expensive, wouldn't it be able pay for itself? And if it were to cost us millions in tax dollars, wouldn't it be cheaper for those who are paying for it?

Bureaucracy is not free. How much do you thing that failure of a website costs? They apparently hired consultants from Google and Oracle, the most expensive people on the planet. What makes it expensive is the government waste, and it makes perfect sense. It has happened over the last 150 years of failed implementations of socialism, and it will happen again. And over and over people will fail to understand why. Morons.

[ihasfrozen]

Something that has never made sense to me: People claim Obamacare is so expensive millions won't be able to pay for it and yet it is going to cost millions and billions of dollars of tax dollars. If it's so expensive, wouldn't it be able pay for itself? And if it were to cost us millions in tax dollars, wouldn't it be cheaper for those who are paying for it?

Bureaucracy is not free. How much do you thing that failure of a website costs? They apparently hired consultants from Google and Oracle, the most expensive people on the planet. What makes it expensive is the government waste, and it makes perfect sense. It has happened over the last 150 years of failed implementations of socialism, and it will happen again. And over and over people will fail to understand why. Morons.

Why do you keep calling a marketplace of private insurance companies socialist?

[Piotr]

Something that has never made sense to me: People claim Obamacare is so expensive millions won't be able to pay for it and yet it is going to cost millions and billions of dollars of tax dollars. If it's so expensive, wouldn't it be able pay for itself? And if it were to cost us millions in tax dollars, wouldn't it be cheaper for those who are paying for it?

Bureaucracy is not free. How much do you thing that failure of a website costs? They apparently hired consultants from Google and Oracle, the most expensive people on the planet. What makes it expensive is the government waste, and it makes perfect sense. It has happened over the last 150 years of failed implementations of socialism, and it will happen again. And over and over people will fail to understand why. Morons.

Why do you keep calling a marketplace of private insurance companies socialist?

Socialism = centralised regulation of inter human business. Interfering in free market. Forcing people to do things they do not want to be done to them, like forcing them to purchase or offer mandatory health insurance. Obama is not making the market more free for everyone, he is making it more socialised, more regulated. He is a socialist. In my eyes it makes him either naive* or a crook, as this is how I categorise adults who advocate socialism.

* a polite way of saying 'moron'.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Something that has never made sense to me: People claim Obamacare is so expensive millions won't be able to pay for it and yet it is going to cost millions and billions of dollars of tax dollars. If it's so expensive, wouldn't it be able pay for itself? And if it were to cost us millions in tax dollars, wouldn't it be cheaper for those who are paying for it?

Bureaucracy is not free. How much do you thing that failure of a website costs? They apparently hired consultants from Google and Oracle, the most expensive people on the planet. What makes it expensive is the government waste, and it makes perfect sense. It has happened over the last 150 years of failed implementations of socialism, and it will happen again. And over and over people will fail to understand why. Morons.

Why do you keep calling a marketplace of private insurance companies socialist?

Socialism = centralised regulation of inter human business. Interfering in free market. Forcing people to do things they do not want to be done to them, like forcing them to purchase or offer mandatory health insurance. Obama is not making the market more free for everyone, he is making it more socialised, more regulated. He is a socialist. In my eyes it makes him either naive* or a crook, as this is how I categorise adults who advocate socialism.

* a polite way of saying 'moron'.

Actually, as we have seen already through Medicare and Medicaid (which I already mentioned), insurance through the government is more cost-effective than private businesses. Why? Because the amount of resources lost to government bureaucracy is less than the money taken by the super rich who own the businesses. Oh, and yeah, how dare a president look out for the well being of his people by providing them with health insurance at an affordable rate by creating a marketplace in which private business must compete with the services a government can provide? What a jerk (/sarcasm). And you are definitely right, just because he has different opinions and ideas than you, he's a moron (also /sarcasm).

[Piotr]

He created a market, how great. Did he also create gravity, lol?

[Mlerner12]

He created a market, how great. Did he also create gravity, lol?

I'm a tad confused as to how they are related... lol