Group Consensus pt. 3

Started by Spikepit, October 22, 2013, 06:11:49 AM

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Spikepit

Is {Alms Beast} a good card? Why?

Gorzo

In the right deck, yes. Paired with {Erebos, God of the Dead}, it's a 6/6 for 4 mana with no downside. That's pretty handy.

Erebos aside, I'm not sure. A 6/6 that forces chump blocks is pretty nice, but the lifegain clause can be a real nuisance. In a constructed format, I really can't get a feel for it. Unless, of course, I'm pairing it with stuff to negate that lifelink thing (Erebos, first strike, unblockable, etc)

Birdbrain

Quote from: Gorzo on October 22, 2013, 06:30:26 AM
In the right deck, yes. Paired with {Erebos, God of the Dead}, it's a 6/6 for 4 mana with no downside. That's pretty handy.

Erebos aside, I'm not sure. A 6/6 that forces chump blocks is pretty nice, but the lifegain clause can be a real nuisance. In a constructed format, I really can't get a feel for it. Unless, of course, I'm pairing it with stuff to negate that lifelink thing (Erebos, first strike, unblockable, etc)
isnt there a card that turns life gain into life loss, or am I just crazy?

iTzTowelie404

Quote from: Birdbrain on October 22, 2013, 07:45:31 AM
Quote from: Gorzo on October 22, 2013, 06:30:26 AM
In the right deck, yes. Paired with {Erebos, God of the Dead}, it's a 6/6 for 4 mana with no downside. That's pretty handy.

Erebos aside, I'm not sure. A 6/6 that forces chump blocks is pretty nice, but the lifegain clause can be a real nuisance. In a constructed format, I really can't get a feel for it. Unless, of course, I'm pairing it with stuff to negate that lifelink thing (Erebos, first strike, unblockable, etc)
isnt there a card that turns life gain into life loss, or am I just crazy?

I think there is, but not in standard.

Mlerner12

I do not like it. Yes, it is a 6/6 for 4, which would be very good. However, they gain life whenever they block it or get blocked by it. Against tokens, that is extremely bad, but against low-creature decks it is... Less bad. If you can give unblockable or get Erebos it is better, but it is normally not good. Just my 2¢ :P
Note: I greatly prefer {Vexing Devil}. 4/3 for 1 is amazing, although they can pay 4 life (a pretty sizable loss for T1) to sac. Just my 2¢, again. 4¢ total.

DirtyMustachio

Says what's up with {aqueous form} , {gods willing} or {brave the elements}

Mattao19

Quote from: Mlerner12 on October 22, 2013, 10:20:18 AM
I do not like it. Yes, it is a 6/6 for 4, which would be very good. However, they gain life whenever they block it or get blocked by it. Against tokens, that is extremely bad, but against low-creature decks it is... Less bad. If you can give unblockable or get Erebos it is better, but it is normally not good. Just my 2¢ :P
Note: I greatly prefer {Vexing Devil}. 4/3 for 1 is amazing, although they can pay 4 life (a pretty sizable loss for T1) to sac. Just my 2¢, again. 4¢ total.

Damn all I have is a nickel. Do you have change?

Mlerner12

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 22, 2013, 10:41:29 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on October 22, 2013, 10:20:18 AM
I do not like it. Yes, it is a 6/6 for 4, which would be very good. However, they gain life whenever they block it or get blocked by it. Against tokens, that is extremely bad, but against low-creature decks it is... Less bad. If you can give unblockable or get Erebos it is better, but it is normally not good. Just my 2¢ :P
Note: I greatly prefer {Vexing Devil}. 4/3 for 1 is amazing, although they can pay 4 life (a pretty sizable loss for T1) to sac. Just my 2¢, again. 4¢ total.

Damn all I have is a nickel. Do you have change?
Yeah, sure.

Apathy Reactor

Quote from: Mlerner12 on October 22, 2013, 10:44:15 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 22, 2013, 10:41:29 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on October 22, 2013, 10:20:18 AM
I do not like it. Yes, it is a 6/6 for 4, which would be very good. However, they gain life whenever they block it or get blocked by it. Against tokens, that is extremely bad, but against low-creature decks it is... Less bad. If you can give unblockable or get Erebos it is better, but it is normally not good. Just my 2¢ :P
Note: I greatly prefer {Vexing Devil}. 4/3 for 1 is amazing, although they can pay 4 life (a pretty sizable loss for T1) to sac. Just my 2¢, again. 4¢ total.

Damn all I have is a nickel. Do you have change?
Yeah, sure.
gotta love that little red ball of vexation

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Spikepit on October 22, 2013, 06:11:49 AM
Is {Alms Beast} a good card? Why?
Have to agree with everyone else. Maybe if it had lifelink itself, or deathtouch or something it might be playable but as is, its pretty crappy...

Apathy Reactor

Is say it is more situational than anything, it would be effective if it is unblockable, the opponent can't gain life, or they are mana screwed with no creatures